Science is a false God

[Maximilian]

So, if there is no evidence of this transcendent realm (which you seem to say is impossible to give evidence for), why even believe it exists at all?

Indirect evidence is frequently and consistently relied upon to ascertain the reality of our world. As a case in point, it's long been widely used to show that our Sun generates power via nuclear fusion, hydrogen is present in it or that our planet features an iron core. In like manner, the fact that there are dozens upon dozens of fulfilled Bible prophecies constitutes probative evidence of the existence of its author, Jehovah God.

This fact is, by far, the most compelling logical reason why millions upon millions of rational people today the world over only accept the Bible as the Inspired Word of Jehovah God. Simply no other book – religious or not – comes with such illustrious prominence. Because it's impossible for any person to foresee with complete precision what's sure to occur from one hour to the next, there's no two ways about it: Bible prophecies are not of natural origin. I kindly invite you to examine for yourself various examples of these specific and accurately fulfilled prophecies

 

[Maximilian]

His views on this topic are badly out of date.

What is your evidence?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Typical Christian taliban.

Next, it will be time to start killing all the atheists.

He is already suggesting that it would be moral to kill babies if it can be shown that they will end up as what he views as evil. I am uncertain what mechanism he considers valid in making the determination of which infant would be a target and which would not.

I consider someone holding that view as harboring evil thoughts.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Indirect evidence is frequently and consistently relied upon to ascertain the reality of our world. As a case in point, it's long been widely used to show that our Sun generates power via nuclear fusion, hydrogen is present in it or that our planet features an iron core. In like manner, the fact that there are dozens upon dozens of fulfilled Bible prophecies constitutes probative evidence of the existence of its author, Jehovah God.

This fact is, by far, the most compelling logical reason why millions upon millions of rational people today the world over only accept the Bible as the Inspired Word of Jehovah God. Simply no other book – religious or not – comes with such illustrious prominence. Because it's impossible for any person to foresee with complete precision what's sure to occur from one hour to the next, there's no two ways about it: Bible prophecies are not of natural origin. I kindly invite you to examine for yourself various examples of these specific and accurately fulfilled prophecies

Thank you for another opinion. This one contradicts your previous opinion about categorical fallacies that you used to denounce using physical evidence for rejecting the supernatural, while here you are using it to stir acceptance of the same. You cannot have it both ways, but you seem to be trying to establish that paradigm for your entire world view.

False witness is a sin.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Elizabeth Bathory, Brian And David Freeman, Nelson Byrdwell, Edmund Kemper, Joshua Phillips, Willie Bosket, Laurie Tackett, Brenda Anne Spencer, Jon Venables, Robert Thompson, Jesse Pomeroy, Mary Bell, Andrew Golden, Mitchell Johnson, Jamie Rouse, Barry Loukaitis, Talat Pasha, Margaret Sanger, Josef Mengele, Reinhard Heydrich, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Heinrich Himmler, Adolf Eichmann, Kim Il Sung, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Emperor Hirohito, Nero, Caligula, Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Leopold II of Belgium, Tomas de Torquemada, Mao Zedong, Ivan the Terrible, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Vlad Dracula once beautiful little babies too?

These people were also once beautiful little babies too.

Anthony Rozelle, Dynel Lane, Christopher Speight, Otty Sanchez, Sheddrick Byron Miller, Leonard B. Palmitesto, John W. Moyer, Christopher Rodriguez, James Lee, Jonathan Perfetto, Angela Montgomery, Clyde Calvin Boles, Cheryl Shaw, Ralph Heroux, Eugene Pope, William Redman, Lamont Sterling Johnson, Jeffrey Anderson, Kelle Lee Jarka, Wellington Oliveira, Arman Torosyan, Jonathan Cock, Eunice Spry, John Pickrell, Geoffrey Massey, Douglas Hyde, David Dennis, Aaron Hutchinson, Dick Chidiebere, Henricus Stephanus Landmeter, Robert Leslie Souter, Victor Webb, Francesco Cosseddo & Shane Thomas Thorne.

It would be immoral to advocate killing them as infants just because they later turned out to be horrible adults. Given a different environment, they may have not been twisted as they were. Have you thought of that? Maybe trying to help by turning them from the path of evil? Nah. Then you would not be able to promote your self-righteousness and mendacity.

 

[Maximilian]

Here, you are just speculating

Aren't you doing the same? You presume when Moses originally wrote Genesis but you present no evidence for them.

(See my signature?)

 

[Audie]

He is already suggesting that it would be moral to kill babies if it can be shown that they will end up as what he views as evil. I am uncertain what mechanism he considers valid in making the determination of which infant would be a target and which would not.

I consider someone holding that view as harboring evil thoughts.

ya think?

 

[ecco]

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Elizabeth Bathory, Brian And David Freeman, Nelson Byrdwell, Edmund Kemper, Joshua Phillips, Willie Bosket, Laurie Tackett, Brenda Anne Spencer, Jon Venables, Robert Thompson, Jesse Pomeroy, Mary Bell, Andrew Golden, Mitchell Johnson, Jamie Rouse, Barry Loukaitis, Talat Pasha, Margaret Sanger, Josef Mengele, Reinhard Heydrich, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Heinrich Himmler, Adolf Eichmann, Kim Il Sung, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Emperor Hirohito, Nero, Caligula, Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Leopold II of Belgium, Tomas de Torquemada, Mao Zedong, Ivan the Terrible, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Vlad Dracula once beautiful little babies too?

Responses like this show the desperation of one who has run out of things to say.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I've always found it quite surprising and disgusting when people actually attempt to justify the Old Testament's depictions of genocide. Here, we see Maximilian basically say "they were evil, so they deserved it". But when you consider what was depicted, he's saying that the 3 month old baby girl who had a sword put through her stomach by an Israeli soldier deserved what she got. And her 10 year old sister, who the soldiers found to be attractive, deserved to be taken captive by her family's killers and be forced to marry, have sex with, and bear the children of those same killers.

And these are the same people lecturing everyone else about "objective morality"? Really? Are genocide and sexual slavery of young girls objectively moral?

I agree. I consider it morally wrong to do that and then point fingers at others.

From what I have seen of his posts, he has avoided justifying it directly, by diversion and ignoring posts about the specific passages in the OT.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

ya think?

Just a smidgen.

 

[Audie]

These people were also once beautiful little babies too.

Anthony Rozelle, Dynel Lane, Christopher Speight, Otty Sanchez, Sheddrick Byron Miller, Leonard B. Palmitesto, John W. Moyer, Christopher Rodriguez, James Lee, Jonathan Perfetto, Angela Montgomery, Clyde Calvin Boles, Cheryl Shaw, Ralph Heroux, Eugene Pope, William Redman, Lamont Sterling Johnson, Jeffrey Anderson, Kelle Lee Jarka, Wellington Oliveira, Arman Torosyan, Jonathan Cock, Eunice Spry, John Pickrell, Geoffrey Massey, Douglas Hyde, David Dennis, Aaron Hutchinson, Dick Chidiebere, Henricus Stephanus Landmeter, Robert Leslie Souter, Victor Webb, Francesco Cosseddo & Shane Thomas Thorne.

It would be immoral to advocate killing them as infants just because they later turned out to be horrible adults. Given a different environment, they may have not been twisted as they were. Have you thought of that? Maybe trying to help by turning them from the path of evil? Nah. Then you would not be able to promote your self-righteousness and mendacity.

Religious fanatics who approve and practice such
insanity were once innocent babies themselves.
I wonder what happened to them what makes the
innocent t urn into monsters?

 

[ecco]

It definitely raises the question of whether or not believers like @Maximilian would commit the same atrocities if they believed God told them to. It also explains how so much past evil was committed and justified by Bible-believing Christians.

Sometimes they say Satan told them to kill their own children.

Of course, they only believe in Satan because they believe in their god. So, I guess it's pretty much the same thing.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Responses like this show the desperation of one who has run out of things to say.

That and the fact that he has begun re-posting that and other responses to the new posts of others. I doubt anyone was thinking they were going to see new arguments or an open mind when he chimed in.

 

[ratiocinator]

I kindly invite you to examine for yourself various examples of these specific and accurately fulfilled prophecies

LOL - the first one I clicked on was "nation will rise against nation", then "there will be food shortages", then earthquakes - that's rather like prophesying that the sun will rise in the mornings.

 

[ratiocinator]

So racism and bigotry are moral? Are you racist and bigoted?

Have you decided if slaughtering defenceless little children is right or wrong, yet?

 

[ecco]

Since you do not have conclusive evidence that God does not nor cannot exist does this mean you're open to examining the evidence for his necessary existence objectively?

Since you do not have conclusive evidence that Allah does not nor cannot exist does this mean you're open to examining the evidence for his necessary existence objectively?

 

[ecco]

Since you do not have conclusive evidence that Jehovah God does not nor cannot exist does this mean you're open to examining the evidence for his necessary existence objectively?

Why do you presume that people have not examined the evidence? Most of the atheists that I have encountered went from believing in God to studying and questioning scripture to realizing it's all fiction.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Religious fanatics who approve and practice such
insanity were once innocent babies themselves.
I wonder what happened to them what makes the
innocent t urn into monsters?

That is a question I have debated with others on the internet for years. We used to have family discussions about it when I was growing up. I remember my mother was more of a genetic determinist than my father and I were.

I have taken on a more shakespearian position. Our genes may set the stage, but it is shaped by the world we live in. Sometimes the genes are more influential and sometimes the environment is.

But I do not know the specifics and if there are patterns that are repeated. Certainly, people in religious groups are constantly buffeted by repetition of the tenets of the organization and the views of those preaching. A fanatic probably has some emptiness they wish to fill or some history they want to wipe away and latch onto that. I am of course speculating, but this is where my current position rests. I know there is a good deal of research on this and there is physical evidence that there are brain differences that are consistently found in people that hold authoritarian, simple, black and white views. Part of the stage.

 

[ecco]

So racism and bigotry are moral?

I don't find the racism and bigotry and murder and rape in the Bible to be moral. You seem to be OK with it.

It's not just limited to the OT. God sent a part of Himself to sexually assault and impregnate a young virgin because he decided it was the best way to make a third part of Himself.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Sometimes they say Satan told them to kill their own children.

Of course, they only believe in Satan because they believe in their god. So, I guess it's pretty much the same thing.

I just read about a man that stabbed his 12 year old daughter to death, because he was convinced that God wanted him to and she would be resurrected three days following. He was a devout member of his religion and I think that did not help him and may have abetted him.

Humans do not need Satan to commit evil acts, but it helps to have a scapegoat to pass the responsibility to.