Science is a false God

[Subduction Zone]

Agreed but a multi-universe would shatter much of what we think we know.

How so? The different universes would appear to be fairly well separated from one another.

 

[Shad]

Many who say there is no God because science can't prove it actually worship science.

"Let us notice this morning how modern man has made a god of science. It was quite easy for modern man to put his ultimate faith in science because science had brought about such remarkable advances, such tangible and amazing victories. He realized that man through his scientific genius had dwarfed distances and placed time in chains. He noticed the new comforts that had been brought about by science, from the vast improvements in communication to the elimination of many dread plagues and diseases. And so after noticing these astounding successes modern man ushered in a new god and a new religion. Individual scientist became the high priests, chemical and biological instrumants became sacramental agencies through which the invisible grace of the scientific god became visibly manifested, and scientific laboratories became the sanctuaries. And so modern man dutifully worshipped at the shrine of the god of science.

But today we are confronted with the tragic fact that the god of science which we so devoutly worshipped has brought about the possibility of universal annihilation, and so man today stands on the brink of atomic destruction aghast, panic-stricken and petrified. He realizes now that his greatest need is not science which is power, but wisdom which is control. Doubtless some one has been saying, but is it not right to devote ourselves to scientific adventure? Is not science important for the progress of civilization? To this I would answer yes. No person of sound intelligence could minimize science. It is not science in itself that I am condemning, {but it is the tendency of projecting it to the status of God that I am condemning.} We must come to see that science only furnishes us with the means by which we live, but never with the spiritual ends for which we live. And so we must turn back and give our ultimate devotion to the God who integrates the whole of life, to the God in whom we live and move and have our being, to the God who has been our help in ages past, our hope for years to come, our shelter from the stormy blast, and our eternal home.6 Preached July 5, 1953"
False Gods We Worship | The Martin Luther King, Jr., Research and Education Institute

Seems like MLK needed to stick with Civil Rights and avoid topics he does not understand.

 

[Polymath257]

Agreed but a multi-universe would shatter much of what we think we know.

Depends on which of several multiverse theories turns out to be true. String theory has one version, the Everett interpretation has a very different version, loop quantum gravity has yet another. But all are physical theories with no supernatural at all.

 

[Maximilian]

An how do you know this?
What objective evidence do you have that your god is real?

You can do it, don't fail me now.

The fact that there are dozens upon dozens of fulfilled Bible prophecies constitutes probative evidence of the existence of its author, Jehovah God.

This fact is, by far, the most compelling logical reason why millions upon millions of neurotypical individuals today the world over only accept the Bible as the Inspired Word of Jehovah God. Simply no other book – religious or not – comes with such illustrious prominence. Because it's impossible for any person to foresee with complete precision what's sure to occur from one hour to the next, there's no two ways about it: Bible prophecies are not of natural origin. I kindly invite you to examine for yourself various examples of these specific and accurately fulfilled prophecies.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see no difference.

As long as only one's God slaughters the innocents we are safe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Depends on which of several multiverse theories turns out to be true. String theory has one version, the Everett interpretation has a very different version, loop quantum gravity has yet another. But all are physical theories with no supernatural at all.

Wow! My city has an interpretation. I guess I will have to support it.

 

[Polymath257]

I think that you have that backwards. When has it ever been confirmed? What answers doe Bohmian Mechanics give us that other models cannot? And if it fails where relativity succeeds then it is a refuted concept. That seems to be what was implied by @Polymath257 .

Precisely. Bohmian mechanics is a purely non-relativistic. Some attempts have been made to extend it to *some* relativistic effects (like spin), but the model becomes more and more contrived and ultimately fails to deal at all with anti-matter.

No version of Bohmian mechanics has ever been able to deal with positrons and how they annihilate electrons.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Hmm...Genesis doens't say anything about how long God existed before the creation of the Earth. It also tells of God hovering about the waters of the deep and bringing forth dry land. That is hardly a good description of the formation of the *universe*. At most, it is a failed description of the formation of something very local to the Earth.

I have noticed a trend between his opinion and a failure for support of that opinion from the material he cites. You have identified another example.

 

[Maximilian]

Yes they were, innocent children.

Prove it.

 

[Polymath257]

The fact that there are dozens upon dozens of fulfilled Bible prophecies constitutes probative evidence of the existence of its author, Jehovah God.

This fact is, by far, the most compelling logical reason why millions upon millions of neurotypical individuals today the world over only accept the Bible as the Inspired Word of Jehovah God. Simply no other book – religious or not – comes with such illustrious prominence. Because it's impossible for any person to foresee with complete precision what's sure to occur from one hour to the next, there's no two ways about it: Bible prophecies are not of natural origin. I kindly invite you to examine for yourself various examples of these specific and accurately fulfilled prophecies.

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You realize that Sagan was criticizing religious dogmatism in this quote, right?

I'd point out that reposting the same thing several times is considered spam on this site, by the way.

In any case, it was refuted the other times you posted it. The 'prophesies' are incredibly low quality and don't justify any sort of conclusion about even their accuracy, let alone their source.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

When one tries to defend a psychopathic version of God one begins to look like a psychopath.

I agree,but I am uncertain if it is an appearance only. Supporting the murder of infant children and calling it moral does engender conclusions of morality, stability or empathy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agree,but I am uncertain if it is an appearance only. Supporting the murder of infant children and calling it moral does engender conclusions of morality, stability or empathy.

So do we humor such a person and remind them that they need to take the green pill at noon?

 

[Maximilian]

You miss took my post. Evil only exist because God created it, which also means he can stop it. Why does he allow soneone, say like Hitler to grow up become in power, start wars, murder millions in genocides when he should know that Hitler would grow up and do those things?

Have you met people? The vast majority don't want anyone to tell them what to do or how to do it, especially God.

And God respects that. He doesn't force anyone to be good.

He also doesn't shield anyone from the disastrous consequences of their horrible choices. Why would he?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Prove it.

You have it backwards again.

 

[Maximilian]

I see. You claim God existed before any thing else existed yet don't know how or where. Has it ever crossed your mind he has only existed in the imaginative minds of humans and no where else?

It would seem that you missed the thrust of my rejoinder.

"If you look at the um detail, details, of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer." -Richard Dawkins​

Accordingly, how is creation not empirical evidence for its Creator?

 

[We Never Know]

How so? The different universes would appear to be fairly well separated from one another.

How so? Really? We think all the known universal laws and time started with our universe. If multi-universe' exist and are older than our own, we are wrong on it all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It would seem that you missed the thrust of my rejoinder.

"If you look at the um detail, details, of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer." -Richard Dawkins​

Accordingly, how is creation not empirical evidence for its Creator?

Because the signature is clearly missing.

 

[We Never Know]

Have you met people? The vast majority don't want anyone to tell them what to do or how to do it, especially God.

And God respects that. He doesn't force anyone to be good.

He also doesn't shield anyone from the disastrous consequences of their horrible choices. Why would he?

Again you stray from the point. If your God created evil( which you've avoided answering why) and can stop evil, why doesn't he?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How so? Really? We think all the known universal laws and time started with our universe. If multi-universe' exist and are older than our own, we are wrong on it all.

in the multiverse hypothesis laws are local. And no, all we can say for our universe is that the furthest back we can go theoretically right now is a fraction of a second after the start of the Big Bang.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

So do we humor such a person and remind them that they need to take the green pill at noon?

I am beginning to find his false witness, intolerance and spam a little tiresome. I do not know if they have invented a pill for the condition suggested by my reading, but certainly a reminder for the green pill is warranted.