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Science is a false God

tas8831

tas8831

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Maximilian said:
The Bible has over 750,000 words and still too many don't read it but you want God to add another few million more explaining in excruciating detail precisely how he formed all of reality, which you probably wouldn't even begin to understand? Seriously?
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It would be more instructive than the current series of tales from numerologists and misogynist nomads that seem to have preferred writing about who slept with whom, what food and clothing styles and such are good or bad,. etc. - which modern bible experts of a conservative-bent explain are mysteriously no longer relevant, etc.

Also odd is the recurring fascination with foreskins:

Joshua 5:3
And Joshua made him sharp knives, and circumcised the children of Israel at the hill of the foreskins.


I wonder where the "hill of the Foreskins" is. I should like to visit it one day with the family.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
tas8831 said:
Hosea 13:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.




Damn those evil fetuses and their sin and wickedness! Anti-abortionists are against Yahweh!
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Hosea lived around 722 BC. What is the date that Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria?
 
Maximilian

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Polymath257 said:
Except that *none* of these were theoreies that made specific, testable predictions in as many different fields as QM and got all the predictions correct. Phlogiston was the only one that even came close, but it quickly became difficult to reconcile with observations. Quantum mechanics, on the other hand, is central to our understanding of phenomena as varied as subatomic particles, solid state theory, the emission of spectra, etc. To place it in proximity to these pseudo scientific ideas is both laughable and enough to show you understand bvery little of how science (as opposed to politics) is done. Creation 'science' belongs in your list, not quantum theory or general relativity.
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Thus establishing that Science is not only omniscient but infallible which certainly justifies your undying reverence for it . . .
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
King Sargon settled Arabs of defeated desert tribes in the province of Samaria, the former kingdom of Israel, in 716 BCE.

2 Kings

King James Bible 17:24

And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

Think & Care
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Premium Member
Maximilian said:
No worries. Thanks for clarifying :)

Alright then, let's get to it. We've got lots of specific details to cover:

History records that Babylon took the Jews into captivity. Yet, about 40 years before this happened Jeremiah foretold it. Isaiah predicted it some 150 years before it happened. He also foretold that the Jews would return from captivity. So did Jeremiah, saying that they would be restored to their land after 70 years.—Isaiah 39:6, 7; 44:26; Jeremiah 25:8-12; 29:10.
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And yet, most scholars think these were written *after* the captivity.

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The best way to explain it is that the texts were written after the events described. As that is what most scholars think and since there are no texts from earlier, that seems like the simplest explanation, don't you think?
 
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Polymath257

Polymath257

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Maximilian said:
Thus establishing that Science is not only omniscient but infallible which certainly justifies your undying reverence for it . . .
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In no way did I say that it is infallible. But it *is* able to correct its flaws and move on to better understanding given new data. And it actively *looks* for data showing where it gets things wrong.

That seems much more reliable than the musings of some Bronze Age propagandists.
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Maximilian said:
I've not presented my proclamations but God's because he authored the Bible, not me.
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You have provided no evidence or reasoning for this assertion about some god authoring the bible. Since the bible is inconsistent, incoherent, and often self-contradictory, any god that authored it must be some crazy mixed up deity or have a serious communication problem.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
Polymath257 said:
And yet, most scholars think these were written *after* the captivity.




The best way to explain it is that the texts were written after the events described. As that is what most scholars think and since there are no texts from earlier, that seems like the simplest explanation, don't you think?
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Yep...

"Scholars have, for many years, observed that the latter half of the book addresses the conditions of people in the Babylonian exile; in the times of Isaiah, Assyria alone was a threat and Babylon was viewed as a friendly, historically minor nation (see Isa. 39).

Furthermore, on its own terms, the prophet's message in Isaiah 40-55 describes social circumstances in which the audience is positioned in a time after 'former things' have been fulfilled.

This fulfillment could have occurred only during the time of the Babylonian exile (see Isa. 40:21; 41:4, 27; 42:9), a fulfillment that provides the basis for the prophet's argument that trustworthy 'new things' can be announced.

Among these 'new things,' the prophet states that Cyrus will expedite the restoration of the nation of Israel and its return to the promised land. The logic of the prophet's argument turns on a recognition that the historical setting is the Babylonian exile and that previous oracles have been fulfilled in that time.

For that reason, the prophet can mock other prophets who pretend to promise things without similar proof, namely, that they actually have come to pass (see Isa. 41:21-24). This prophet to the Babylonian exiles could not be identified with the historical Isaiah without either violating the logic of the argument or introducing a strange understanding of prophecy, one at odds with even a traditional view of how prophets performed and what they foresaw.

Still, a modern admission of underlying similarities in theme and subject matter between the two parts of the books inspired critics to call this later unknown prophet Second Isaiah. One could speculate, without explicit biblical support, that this later prophet must have been a gifted disciple of the eighth-century 'First Isaiah.'" (Harper's Bible Commentary, p. 543)

Isaiah
 
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