Science is a false God

[Maximilian]

What evidence have you given for your deity that amounts to more than the evidence for invisible unicorns in my office? I am discussing the quality of the evidence, not whether your position is absurd.

Here it is again so you can ignore it . . .

And I replied with the difficulties of what you gave. You have failed to give reasons why my objections are invalid. That means what you gave is NOT 'hard evidence'.

Where did you post this refutation? Link?

 

[Maximilian]

An atheist is a person who doesn't believe in god(s). That's it. Nothing more.

Incorrect. What is someone who believes God does not nor cannot exist called?

 

[Maximilian]

atheist A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. [my emphasis]



They'd also be a atheists but you can't assume that an atheist thinks some god is impossible. Another problem is you use the word "God" as if it referred to one, universally agreed upon, concept - it doesn't. There are many, many versions - some of which I do regard as impossible, either because of conflicting evidence or logical contradictions.

And do you have any concrete evidence Jehovah God does not nor cannot exist?

 

[Polymath257]

Here it is again so you can ignore it . . .

Where did you post this refutation? Link?

I pointed out that most scholars think that the texts you referred to are NOT from prior to the Babylonian captivity, but rather during or after it. That negates your prophecy claim. Unless you have texts from before the captivity making these statements, the most rational explanation is precisely that they were written late about events everyone knew about.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Incorrect. What is someone who believes God does not nor cannot exist called?

Nope that's right. I'm an atheist. All that is required for a person to be an atheist is to lack belief in god(s). Nothing else is required. Atheists can and do believe all kinds of things that are unrelated to what other atheists may or may not believe.

 

[sooda]

So you are going to ignore requests for valid evidence? The only evidence you gave was a claim that Isaiah predicted the Babylonian captivity prior to it happening. The current evidence is against that interpretation of the text.

Which leaves you with no valid evidence.

Isaiah was written in 165 BC at the time of Antiochus Epiphanes and the Maccabean revolt. He was never in Babylon.

The Temple was rebuilt around 519 BC long before Isaiah was born.

 

[Maximilian]

I pointed out that most scholars think that the texts you referred to are NOT from prior to the Babylonian captivity, but rather during or after it. That negates your prophecy claim. Unless you have texts from before the captivity making these statements, the most rational explanation is precisely that they were written late about events everyone knew about.

Try again.

 

[Polymath257]

Try again.

Nope, it is NOT a bandwagon fallacy. That's why I limited the people I mentioned to scholars specializing in the field. THEY are the ones most able to make judgements and their overall opinion goes against your view.

And, with that, the best explanation is that your proposed prophesies are not legitimate prophesies.

/E: I also asked if you had texts that can be shown to be before the captivity as an option to refute my objection.

 

[Maximilian]

Nope that's right. I'm an atheist. All that is required for a person to be an atheist is to lack belief in god(s). Nothing else is required. Atheists can and do believe all kinds of things that are unrelated to what other atheists may or may not believe.

And what is someone who believes God does not nor cannot exist called?

 

[Polymath257]

And what is someone who believes God does not nor cannot exist called?

Once again, a strong atheist. As opposed to a weak atheist, who is one that simply lacks a belief.

 

[Maximilian]

I also asked if you had texts that can be shown to be before the captivity as an option to refute my objection.

Where? (A link would be helpful)

 

[Polymath257]

Where? (A link would be helpful)

OK, consider it as request now. Do you have any tests from prior to the Babylonian captivity (dated from before then by some reliable method--say C14 dating) that mention the prophesy you stated? if not, it is far more likely that the 'prophesy' isn't a valid one, but simply someone late writing about things that already happened.

Why do you need a link to answer the question?

 

[Maximilian]

Nope, it is NOT a bandwagon fallacy. That's why I limited the people I mentioned to scholars specializing in the field. THEY are the ones most able to make judgements and their overall opinion goes against your view.

And, with that, the best explanation is that your proposed prophesies are not legitimate prophesies.

/E: I also asked if you had texts that can be shown to be before the captivity as an option to refute my objection.

Try again.

 

[Maximilian]

Why do you need a link to answer the question?

How can I read your purported refutation without direct access to it?

 

[ratiocinator]

And do you have any concrete evidence Jehovah God does not nor cannot exist?

Are you just not paying attention, or is this all going way over your head?

 

[Polymath257]

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Try again.

I see. And your pointing to the Bible isn't an appeal to authority? Upon what evidence do you claim that Isaiah was written prior to the captivity?

 

[Maximilian]

Do you have any tests from prior to the Babylonian captivity (dated from before then by some reliable method--say C14 dating) that mention the prophesy you stated?

C-14 dating? Is that what all those "scholars" you keep alluding to used to conclusively prove Isaiah and Jeremiah are not from prior to the Babylonian captivity but rather during or after it?

 

[Maximilian]

Are you just not paying attention, or is this all going way over your head?

"That which can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

Accordingly, consider your fatuous claims dismissed.


Believe it or not, you can start questioning your claims of an absolute, incontrovertible truth. It's all up to you. I admit it's not an easy path but it's possible because many before you have succeeded.

 

[Polymath257]

C-14 dating? Is that what all those "scholars" you keep alluding to used to conclusively prove Isaiah and Jeremiah are not from prior to the Babylonian captivity but rather during or after it?

It's better than the wild guesswork of 'tradition'.

 

[ratiocinator]

"That which can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

Indeed - that's what I'm doing with your god claim.