Science IS religion

[Subduction Zone]

Even more "convenient"-- these gods always manage to hate all the same people their worshipers hate...

Hmm, hating quite a few people tonight. I guess it is time to become religious

EDIT: My apologies to those that have a sense of humor.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Hmm, hating quite a few people tonight. I guess it is time to become religious

EDIT: My apologies to those that have a sense of humor.

It is very telling that the people that have no problem being abusive to other people are entirely incensed at even the slightest hint of negativity, even when it is a valid observation or a remark highlighting the flaws in their argument. It is either accept them completely, without question or get in line for a beating. Even asking questions is twisted into some kind of attack or spun into straw.

 

[dad]

Dad, you are projecting again. Those are your flaws.

But tell me, what did you not understand about your failure with your nursery story? You do realize that you need over five vertical miles of water to cover the tallest of mountains.

I assume that the continents separated rapidly well after the flood, with the subsequent mountain building, uplift etc. So I agree with the folks who believe that mountains before the flood were much much smaller.

Your hunch is not well founded.

You need to explain how your inept God did not cook Noah and company,

Watch the insults to God. In the former nature great heat was not produced by friction in the same degree as in this present state apparently. That holds true also for the rapid separation of continents.

you need to explain where the water went to.

Probably the same place a lot of it came from, into the windows of heaven. The bible records a GREAT wind. Possibly there was some reverse water action!

And you need to remember that all of the evidence is against you right now so you have a truly EPIC burden of proof.

Not true at all, in fact the opposite is true! As always you believe for no reason in a same nature and laws in the past. To use that in your models the burden of proof is squarely on your shoulders.

How sweet it is.

 

[dad]

Math. Obviously, you are incapable of the simple arithmetic required to compute the total volume of water, needed, to cover the tallest mountain on Earth.

At that time, by some estimates that would be around 4000 feet high. I explained this in my last post to SZ.

It does involve computing the volume of partial spheres, so I can see where you'd be absolutely confused.

Not me...you.

But-- the Evil Bible outlines the limit, quite unambiguously; cover the planet over the top of the highest mountain, to several cubits depth, in only 40 days and nights of rain.

On day one as you were told the windows of heaven brought the waters that were on the other side of space. (firmament) and the fountains of the deep opened up. Walt Brown even envisioned that the force was so great from the ruptures that some debris shot into space and escaped the gravity of earth! Ha. Who knows?

Note: This means? THE WORLD WAS NOT A FLAT, SMOOTH SPHERE, as many bible-Apologizers would claim-- the bible would NOT NEED TO MENTION MOUNTAINS IF THERE WERE NO MOUNTAINS.

Of course there were mountains, but not like the Rockies of Himalayas. High mountains were likely a result of the rapid continental movement probably around 120 years or so after the flood ended!

In the days of Peleg was when the earth was divided. That happens to be at the time of the tower of Babel also! So that is how the cultures and languages got all over the planet, as well as the animals and people ON those moving continents!

Basically? That means solid water "falling" from...??? Somewhere-- it cannot have been in the Atmosphere, as there isn't enough volume of air to contain that much water.... (ANOTHER ARK FAIL). Magical Portals To Hell? Whatever.

As explained, in creation week waters were separated from below the firmament (where the stars were made and placed---i.e. space) In the flood the waters above the firmament came down to earth via portals called windows of heaven.

Do the math-- or don't. I really could not possibly care less either way, as it's quite clear that basic math is not among your set of usable skills. Perhaps you could ask somebody?

There was water under the earth before the flood. It came up. I suspect possibly the Yucatan crater could be a remnant of one of the fountains of the deep. It does fit the timeframe I place the flood in exactly! The impact, if that were the case was down to UP not up to down!

"windows"? Citation needed: Now you are just making up carp like from a Comic Book or something.

Yes. Windows that brought water to earth from the other side of space (the firmament).

Ge 7:11 -In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

 

[dad]

Nope. DO NOT LIE ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS-- it specifically says RAIN.

As for "The mountains in that day were likely not all that big compared to the high mountains today. "

DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH ENERGY RELEASE IT WOULD TAKE-- TO RESHAPE TINY HILLS INTO MOUNT EVEREST AN IT'S SISTER MOUNTAIN CHAINS?

The earth would.... LITERALLY MELT... lava EVERYWHERE.

Sheesh....

Just dealt with that canard of an old wives tale in the last two posts.

 

[dad]

I am JUST going by what YOU SAY, here-- since I do not have a concept of "god" at all-- I do not believe in gods.

SO I AM GOING BY YOUR WORDS-- and your god? IS AN IDIOT.

What do philosophers say about how people imagine their gods to be, again?

That all gods are a reflection of the people who describe them?

I have describe how the bible records the flood events. Reminds me of a verse.

Psalm 18:26 - with the pure you show yourself pure; and with the crooked you show yourself perverse.

 

[dad]

"The heavens above"...that would be the atmosphere correct? It can only rain down as much as it absorbs. Where did the extra come from besides the "deep earth" as you claim?

No. The waters were above the place stars were created in creation week. They were transported to earth in the flood by windows of heaven. Some envision them to have been sort of like the modern concept of wormholes! So basically...across the universe as the old Beatles song goes.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No. The waters were above the place stars were created in creation week. They were transported to earth in the flood by windows of heaven. Some envision them to have been sort of like the modern concept of wormholes! So basically...across the universe as the old Beatles song goes.

You'll have me converted with your plain and simple explanations. Well done.

 

[viole]

If I had a nickel for every big talking sore loser evo I encountered..I could buy an origin of the species book for toilet tissue.

Why? Have you run out of Bibles?

Ciao

- viole

 

[tas8831]

Science can't tell us either way.

The bible is internally inconsistent and incongruent with understood facts and reality.

I have history and the bible. If you prefer to reject those you are left with grabbing any belief you can get hold of

I do reject borrowed and modified tall tales written by ancient middle eastern numerologists and simpletons as being the TRUTH, yes. And I find history is no friend to bible miracle tales. So you've got vapor, a lack or relevant knowledge, and a religion to protect..

Name a basic you think someone is unaware of!

Basic physics? Basic biology? The unreliability of the bible tales?

Or do you just like to type letters for nothing?

Projecting again?

If you believe something that can't be proven using physical reality such as your same state past, while also rejecting history and the bible, we can be certain what you believe is nonsense.

You spout this foolish 'different states past' to rescue a collection of fairy tales written by nomads in the middle east millennia ago.

How sad are you to posit physical implausibility to rescue such wrong-headed idiocy? Your own creationist pals find you embarrassing!

If you were capable of defending any point I suspect we would see more than cheerleading blind statements of faith.

I defend all points I make. You just spew nonsense to rescue ancient fairy tales because you are too simple to grasp reality.

 

[Darkstorn]

Where did the extra come from besides the "deep earth" as you claim?

I was watching an episode of Atheist Experience yesterday, and a caller said he had evidence of the flood and when Matt asked the guy where did all the water go to AFTER the flood, the caller just replied:

The underground water tunnels, of course.

Instant hang up obviously.

But the common theme here is: Super literal YEC's seem to be willing to invent unfeasible crap out their backsides to support any kind of wild assertion. So, the flood came from weird sky portals, and it went down to secret underground water tunnels.

It really is delusional.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I assume that the continents separated rapidly well after the flood, with the subsequent mountain building, uplift etc. So I agree with the folks who believe that mountains before the flood were much much smaller.

Your hunch is not well founded.
Watch the insults to God. In the former nature great heat was not produced by friction in the same degree as in this present state apparently. That holds true also for the rapid separation of continents.

Probably the same place a lot of it came from, into the windows of heaven. The bible records a GREAT wind. Possibly there was some reverse water action!
Not true at all, in fact the opposite is true! As always you believe for no reason in a same nature and laws in the past. To use that in your models the burden of proof is squarely on your shoulders.

How sweet it is.

Your assumptions about the continents are unjustified and demonstrably incorrect. You cannot make assumptions just because your myth would be false without those assumptions. You need evidence, but since you do not even understand the nature of evidence you cannot find any. In fact you admitted that you had no evidence in a prior post, but you did not realize that you did so.

Fanciful tales is not evidence. Your false belief in your version of god is no different than a believe in a Fantabulous Flatulent Fuchsia Fairy. If someone presented you with that belief you would more than demand evidence yet you have no evidence for your equally wild beliefs. That is hypocrisy.

Tell me, why do you think that your god lied?

 

[We Never Know]

No. The waters were above the place stars were created in creation week. They were transported to earth in the flood by windows of heaven. Some envision them to have been sort of like the modern concept of wormholes! So basically...across the universe as the old Beatles song goes.

Wow! The water came from beyond the stars, maybe even wormholes? That's a new one I hadn't yet heard. Was that out near or past Krypton?

 

[dad]

The bible is internally inconsistent and incongruent with understood facts and reality.

Only in the minds of those that do not understand it.

I do reject borrowed and modified tall tales written by ancient middle eastern numerologists and simpletons as being the TRUTH, yes. And I find history is no friend to bible miracle tales

You find wrong.

Basic physics? Basic biology? The unreliability of the bible tales?

None of that helps your religion.

You spout this foolish 'different states past' to rescue a collection of fairy tales written by nomads in the middle east millennia ago.

History and the records of antiquity agree. Science doesn't know. Origin sciences religion makes stuff up.

I defend all points I make.

Looking at this post it seems the opposite holds true. Randomly squirted venom.

 

[dad]

Your assumptions about the continents are unjustified and demonstrably incorrect.

Yours are.

You cannot make assumptions just because your myth would be false without those assumptions.

You can't.

You need evidence,

You do for your same nature in the past. I have evidence from the written records.

but since you do not even understand the nature of evidence you cannot find any. In fact you admitted that you had no evidence in a prior post, but you did not realize that you did so.

You seem to be the only one who 'realizes' stuff sometimes. Vague accusations don't cut it.

Fanciful tales is not evidence

That is why we are roasting the belief set of so called science regarding origin claims.

. Your false belief in your version of god

Why pretend you have some proper relation and comprehension of the God you insult and reject?

Tell me, why do you think that your god lied?

I think delusion that comes from rejecting Him makes that seem the case eventually.

 

[dad]

Wow! The water came from beyond the stars, maybe even wormholes? That's a new one I hadn't yet heard. Was that out near or past Krypton?

Past all stars. Above space. (the firmament where stars were placed)

You see, the flood year really was a highly planned event by the Almighty creator of the whole universe. He did not just have clouds on earth to work with.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

At that time, by some estimates that would be around 4000 feet high. I explained this in my last post to SZ..

You were wrong then-- you are wrong now. The math does not support your lies, here-- you don't even get your own myth-story correct.

Not me...you..

I'm not confused-- YOU refuse to read your own bible story-- and YOU keep bringing in MAGIC.

On day one as you were told the windows of heaven brought the waters that were on the other side of space. (firmament) and the fountains of the deep opened up. Walt Brown even envisioned that the force was so great from the ruptures that some debris shot into space and escaped the gravity of earth! Ha. Who knows?.

MAGIC. Gotcha-- but it does not matter WHERE that giant mass of water MAGICALLY appears from? IT WOULD BE LIKE BEING UNDERWATER-- And poor old NOAH? DROWNS-- his wooden boat FILLS UP FROM ABOVE. That little window in the top of the boat....

Of course there were mountains, but not like the Rockies of Himalayas. High mountains were likely a result of the rapid continental movement probably around 120 years or so after the flood ended!.

Liar. Citation of a BIBLE VERSE? No? More: Moving mountains in only 120 years WOULD MELT THE EARTH IF YOU MOVED THEM THAT MUCH TO MATCH TODAY.

In the days of Peleg was when the earth was divided. That happens to be at the time of the tower of Babel also! So that is how the cultures and languages got all over the planet, as well as the animals and people ON those moving continents!.

Liar-- MOVING THE CONTINENTS THAT FAST, WOULD MELT THE EARTH.

As explained, in creation week waters were separated from below the firmament (where the stars were made and placed---i.e. space) In the flood the waters above the firmament came down to earth via portals called windows of heaven..

MAGIC? Gotcha. Citation from your evil bible? NO? Gotcha-- more lying.

There was water under the earth before the flood. It came up. I suspect possibly the Yucatan crater could be a remnant of one of the fountains of the deep. It does fit the timeframe I place the flood in exactly! The impact, if that were the case was down to UP not up to down!.

Magic. Gotcha.

Yes. Windows that brought water to earth from the other side of space (the firmament)..

Magic.

Ge 7:11 -In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Magic. Gotcha-- AND? NOBODY CAN LIVE TO BE 600 AND ONLY HAVE 4 SONS.

That fact alone? PROVES IT IS MYTH.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Just dealt with that canard of an old wives tale in the last two posts.

Nope. You LIED. You invoked MAGIC. That is not "dealing with".

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I have describe how the bible records the flood events. Reminds me of a verse.

Psalm 18:26 - with the pure you show yourself pure; and with the crooked you show yourself perverse.

PERFECT: You are convicted BY YOUR OWN BOOK-- YOU ARE 100% THE OPPOSITE OF PURE.

Ha!

 

[dad]

You were wrong then-- you are wrong now. The math does not support your lies, here-- you don't even get your own myth-story correct

Empty words. You do not know how high the mountains were.

I'm not confused-- YOU refuse to read your own bible story-- and YOU keep bringing in MAGIC.

All magic means is that we do not stick to the limits of your small religion.

MAGIC. Gotcha-- but it does not matter WHERE that giant mass of water MAGICALLY appears from? IT WOULD BE LIKE BEING UNDERWATER-- And poor old NOAH? DROWNS-- his wooden boat FILLS UP FROM ABOVE. That little window in the top of the boat....

Until you realize that the flood was planned and carried out by the creator of the universe you have not begun to grasp what went on.

Liar. Citation of a BIBLE VERSE? No? More: Moving mountains in only 120 years WOULD MELT THE EARTH IF YOU MOVED THEM THAT MUCH TO MATCH TODAY.

Great...so what? They were not moved today but in the former nature.

You can really tell you are losing when we see you resort to hysterical name calling and gross misrepresentations of what is being said.

MAGIC? Gotcha. Citation from your evil bible? NO? Gotcha-- more lying.

Ge 1:7 -And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Ge 1:8 - And God called the firmament Heaven.

Ge 1:14 - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Hoo ha