Science IS religion

[Subduction Zone]

Yours are.


You can't.

You do for your same nature in the past. I have evidence from the written records.
You seem to be the only one who 'realizes' stuff sometimes. Vague accusations don't cut it.
That is why we are roasting the belief set of so called science regarding origin claims.

Why pretend you have some proper relation and comprehension of the God you insult and reject?

I think delusion that comes from rejecting Him makes that seem the case eventually.

dad, it is so sad when a supposed Christian cannot follow his own commandments.

You do not seem to understand. There is no evidence of a "different nature past". That means I do not need to provide evidence that it did not change. You are trying to shift the burden of proof. You know that reality is against you so you have to find some means of escaping. Meanwhile we do have evidence that constants were the same in the past. Sadly you do not understand the nature of evidence. But let me give you an example Starlight itself is evidence of a same nature past. The light can be up to billions of years old yet it shows the same absorption spectra that we can see today. That is evidence for a "same nature past". Meanwhile dad has no evidence at all. All you can do is to claim that your God is a liar.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Empty words. You do not know how high the mountains were.

Correction, you don't know. dad, you keep forgetting that just because you do not know something does not mean that others do not know something.

All magic means is that we do not stick to the limits of your small religion.

dad, false accusations of religion is definitely a violation of your Ninth Commandment. Religion is your flaw. Not the flaw of others.

Until you realize that the flood was planned and carried out by the creator of the universe you have not begun to grasp what went on.

Back to claiming that God lied.

Great...so what? They were not moved today but in the former nature.

You can really tell you are losing when we see you resort to hysterical name calling and gross misrepresentations of what is being said.

No evidence of a former nature. It appears to be a belief of the deluded. And where is the hysterical name calling? How did he misrepresent the nonsense that you posted?

Ge 1:7 -And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Ge 1:8 - And God called the firmament Heaven.

Ge 1:14 - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Hoo ha

Quotes from a book of myths are not evidence. Well, they are not evidence of a flood or a creation. They are evidence of an ignorant people that made up stories. That is all.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I called you out for your hypocrisy on others that believe in the same creator god that you believe in. I just got tired of seeing it.

I don't get that from @Dan From Smithville . He's the kind of Christian I can respect. Faith doesn't seem to have impaired his ability to acquire an academic education or think clearly or critically. And I get no hint of him being anti-science, anti-LGBTQ+, or anti-atheist. I see no evidence of hypocrisy there. He has every right to be critical of the Christians on the other end of the intellectual and moral spectrum that make such a bad name for his religion.

you believe for no reason in a same nature and laws in the past. To use that in your models the burden of proof is squarely on your shoulders.

That the laws of physics have evolved as outlined by the Big Bang theory are confirmed by the success of the theory in making highly specific predictions that have since been verified.

But I have already explained my reluctance to try to demonstrate anything to a person who doesn't use reason applied to evidence to decide what is true about the world. I have nothing else to offer, so there is never a burden of proof when dealing with a faith-based thinker. Teaching implies open-mindedness on the part of the student, and a spirit of cooperation with the teacher. There is no hope of that happening here.

Things evolving are what 'created' life on earth...no.

Our best hypothesis for the origins of the first life in the universe is naturalistic abiogenesis, which is also sometimes called chemical evolution (and biopoiesis).

The only alternative is a supernatural explanation, which is gross violation of Occam's Razor, since it requires the existence of a god or gods. Also, we have evidence for the building blocks of life coming together to form living cells, but none for gods or creationism.

I agree with the folks who believe that mountains before the flood were much much smaller.

You believe what you want to be true. Nothing useful comes from that kind of thinking. Just compare the intelligent design program to proper science, which is evidence and reason based, and specifically rejects faith-based thought (skepticism). Which of those approaches to reality has been fruitful, and which useless? Like astrology, another faith-based pseudoscience, ID can't be used for anything.

That is how faith poisons reason, even just a crumb of it. If I want to accurately add a column of multi-digit numbers, there is a strict protocol that must be followed. Whenever you add a 3 to a 5, you need to come up with 8 - pure reason. Deviate from that at all - say by choosing to believe by faith that 5 + 3 can equal 7 or 9 will derail your process. This is how faith damages thought:

“If somewhere in the Bible I were to find a passage that said 2 + 2 = 5, I wouldn't question what I am reading in the Bible. I would believe it, accept it as true, and do my best to work it out and understand it."- Pastor Peter laRuffa

This guy is willing to misadd his entire life by faith.

You've done exactly that yourself, but with this flood.You read in your Bible that it happened, believed it on faith not only absent evidence, but despite contradictory evidence, and then proceeded to make up you own science to support your beliefs.

On day one as you were told the windows of heaven brought the waters that were on the other side of space. (firmament) and the fountains of the deep opened up.

You realize that we have been up there. There is no firmament, and the stars are not fixed to a dome.

Also, the earth turned out to be spherical (almost).

in creation week waters were separated from below the firmament (where the stars were made and placed---i.e. space) In the flood the waters above the firmament came down to earth via portals called windows of heaven.

This is where faith has taken you.

Of course there were mountains, but not like the Rockies of Himalayas.

The Rockies of Himalayas were here on earth in their present form (more or less) long before man or his myths.

Just dealt with that canard of an old wives tale in the last two posts.

By dismissing science and inventing mythology. That's your preferred way of navigating life.

Why pretend you have some proper relation and comprehension of the God you insult and reject?

If you're referring to the god of the Christian Bible, it has already been ruled out by the evidence for biological evolution. Even if the theory is wrong and is falsified tomorrow, you've still got all of that evidence that came before to account for in the light of this new falsifying finding, and no other interpretation occurs to me than that an extremely powerful and deceptive agency intended for us to be deceived into believing that life had evolved on earth to the extent that it buried strata of life forms that never lived such that the most primitive appearing would be found deepest and with a combination of radionuclides that made them appear oldest, with progressively more modern forms appearing in shallower strata. And it went to the trouble of creating all of those nested hierarchies and inserting ERVs into genomes as part of the great deception, scattered the ring species to be found, and the like.

That's incompatible with a god who wants to be known, believed, loved, obeyed, and worshiped.

You do not know how high the mountains were.

You keep making the mistake of thinking that because you don't know something, that automatically means nobody does or can. Yes, we know how high those mountains were even if you don't.

But why would you know any of these things? They aren't absorbed by osmosis. They have to be studied. You're uninterested.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Empty words. You do not know how high the mountains were..

Yes I do-- this isn't Rocket Science. It's actually? Geology Science, which is why you never heard of it, and have no clue.

But. I DO KNOW HOW HIGH THEY ARE TODAY.

I ALSO KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO CARVE THEM DOWN.

I ALSO KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO MAKE THEM THE SIZE THEY ARE NOW.

Million upon million upon MILLIONS of years-- OR ELSE? THE ENERGY RELEASE WOULD MELT THE PLANET.

This is MATH. This is PHYSICS-- PROVEN.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

All magic means is that we do not stick to the limits of your small religion.

I have NO religion. But. I KNOW MAGIC IS NOT REAL.

So do YOU-- this is why you REJECT IT.

But. Genesis 1:1 through about 10-ish? MUCH MAGIC WAS INVOKED.

Which means? GENESIS 1:1 IS MYTH-- never happened.

So sad, so sorry for YOU.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Until you realize that the flood was planned and carried out by the creator of the universe you have not begun to grasp what went on.

Using? MAGIC?

Because simple PHYSICS proves beyond a DOUBT that the Ark is an Impossible Thing-- NEVER HAPPENED.

Unless you invoke MAGIC.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Great...so what? They were not moved today but in the former nature.

"former nature"? What? MAGIC?

Because looking at a MODERN example? Earthquakes: Move mountains. Literally. But only a few FEET.

To get from your ludicrous and stupid "small hills" to Mount Everest? IS THOUSANDS OF FEET.

That requires the spending of MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY-- even if it was MAGICALLY 99% EFFICIENT? (meaning only 1% waste heat)

IT WOULD STILL MELT THE CRUST-- KILLING EVERYTHING.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Ge 1:7 -And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Ge 1:8 - And God called the firmament Heaven.

Ge 1:14 - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Hoo ha

Hey! WHAT DO YOU KNOW-- YOU LIED. Nothing from your Evil Bible about WINDOWS. Is there?

WORSE: IT IS PATENTLY, DEMONSTRATIVELY WRONG-WRONG-WRONG.

None of your myth? IS REAL. Humans have BEEN to this "firmament" -- it's empty space. Your god? Was noticeably ABSENT on those days of Space Travel.

Hoo ha INDEED: YOU LIED.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No. The waters were above the place stars were created in creation week. They were transported to earth in the flood by windows of heaven. Some envision them to have been sort of like the modern concept of wormholes! So basically...across the universe as the old Beatles song goes.

"above the stars"? LMAO!

You really have no clue.... none at all...

WHAT IS NORTH OF THE NORTH POLE?

LMAO!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

My Original List of ARK FAIL: 22 points, any ONE of which DESTROYS THE ARK MYTH, and I have 22.


1) a wooden boat made to Bible spec? Would break in 1/2 with the first 3 foot wave. Ark fail.
2) a wooden boat that size, without a rudder, would founder and sink with the first set of 5 foot waves. Ark fail.
3) there was only 1 hatch-- in the top-- how did they muck out the manure of 5 MILLION species of animals? Ark fail.
4) not enough room for food-- too small. Ark fail.
5) what did the meat-eaters eat? Every time Noah fed the lions or the tigers? *poof* a species of animal IS EXTINCT. Ark fail.
6) there is not enough water on the earth, to flood all the mountains, as specified in the Bible. Ark fail.
7) if it did rain enough water (magic?) in only 40 days, to cover all the mountains? The rate of water-fall would be as dense as actual water-- like being IN a waterfall, in fact. Such a high rate of fall, would have destroyed Noah's wooden boat in minutes.
More: Everything would have drowned, too. Ark fail.
8) Noah did not bring trees on board. Any biologist knows that trees, when drowned, die.
Noah was not on-board long enough for new Olive trees to re-grow in time for leaves to be found by his dove. Ark fail.
9) Terrestrial plant seeds, if immersed in water for very long-- several days-- will simply rot and die. After the whole earth was flooded, the Bible says nearly a year, before the water "went down"... WHERE? This would have destroyed ALL plant-life on earth.
Once Noah opened his boat? He would have seen nothing but deadwood and mud. All the plant-eaters starved within days.
Ark fail.
10) Once the ark was opened? Who fed the meat-eaters? Oops! The Tigers just ate that gazelle-- and now gazelles are extinct.
WHAT DID THE MEAT-EATERS EAT, AFTER THE ARK WAS OPENED? Only 2 pair, after all! Ark fail.
11) I guess the Unicorns, as mentioned in the Bible did not make the cut, onto the ark.... Ark fail?
12) What did Noah and his idiot sons drink, while on the ark? All the hatches, according to the Bible, were CLOSED. There was not enough room on-board, to carry enough water for Noah for nearly a year-- LET ALONE ALL THE ANIMALS, TOO. Ark fail.
13) Why are there ancient cities-- UNBROKEN-- from before the ark, right on through it's alleged happening, NO FLOOD, and on to today? Ark fail.
14) China. Unbroken history, to thousands of years PRIOR to the ark. No flood story. Ark fail.
15) Cave paintings in Europe. Charcoal. Immersion in water would have erased them. These are 15,000 years and older. Ark fail.
16) Rocks. If there were a global flood? You would see a universal, world-wide layer of compressed mud-- DATING TO THE SAME TIME. This is not the case-- not even a little bit. Ark fail.
17) Dead fish. Noah was >>not<< instructed to bring fishes onto the ark. Yet? Putting enough fresh (rain) water into the salt oceans to cover the mountains, would dilute it to dangerous levels-- KILLING ALL LIFE IN ALL THE OCEANS, EVERYWHERE.
From whence did modern sea life come from, then? Magic? Ark fail.
18) Insects. The number and variation of species of insects alone-- would have filled up the ark, hundreds of times over. Ark fail.
19) Birds. The number and variation of bird species-- including all the UNIQUE ONES from all the islands, would have filled up the ark multiple times over. Ark fail.
20) HOW did the animals get from the ark, to Australia? The animals living there now, and back to pre-historic times, are UNIQUE to that continent. And the Bible has NO MENTION of them-- AT ALL. Ark fail.
21) If the human race descended from Noah and his idiot sons?(By having sex with his daughters--as the Bible documents...)
Then we would see a genetic bottleneck, roughly 4,000 years ago, in the human genome. Do we see this? NO. Ark fail.
22) The population of the world, in 3,000 BCE, is too high, if all humans came from 4 breeding pairs, roughly 1,000 years earlier. Ark fail.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

My Original List of ARK FAIL: 22 points, any ONE of which DESTROYS THE ARK MYTH, and I have 22.


1) a wooden boat made to Bible spec? Would break in 1/2 with the first 3 foot wave. Ark fail.
2) a wooden boat that size, without a rudder, would founder and sink with the first set of 5 foot waves. Ark fail.
3) there was only 1 hatch-- in the top-- how did they muck out the manure of 5 MILLION species of animals? Ark fail.
4) not enough room for food-- too small. Ark fail.
5) what did the meat-eaters eat? Every time Noah fed the lions or the tigers? *poof* a species of animal IS EXTINCT. Ark fail.
6) there is not enough water on the earth, to flood all the mountains, as specified in the Bible. Ark fail.
7) if it did rain enough water (magic?) in only 40 days, to cover all the mountains? The rate of water-fall would be as dense as actual water-- like being IN a waterfall, in fact. Such a high rate of fall, would have destroyed Noah's wooden boat in minutes.
More: Everything would have drowned, too. Ark fail.
8) Noah did not bring trees on board. Any biologist knows that trees, when drowned, die.
Noah was not on-board long enough for new Olive trees to re-grow in time for leaves to be found by his dove. Ark fail.
9) Terrestrial plant seeds, if immersed in water for very long-- several days-- will simply rot and die. After the whole earth was flooded, the Bible says nearly a year, before the water "went down"... WHERE? This would have destroyed ALL plant-life on earth.
Once Noah opened his boat? He would have seen nothing but deadwood and mud. All the plant-eaters starved within days.
Ark fail.
10) Once the ark was opened? Who fed the meat-eaters? Oops! The Tigers just ate that gazelle-- and now gazelles are extinct.
WHAT DID THE MEAT-EATERS EAT, AFTER THE ARK WAS OPENED? Only 2 pair, after all! Ark fail.
11) I guess the Unicorns, as mentioned in the Bible did not make the cut, onto the ark.... Ark fail?
12) What did Noah and his idiot sons drink, while on the ark? All the hatches, according to the Bible, were CLOSED. There was not enough room on-board, to carry enough water for Noah for nearly a year-- LET ALONE ALL THE ANIMALS, TOO. Ark fail.
13) Why are there ancient cities-- UNBROKEN-- from before the ark, right on through it's alleged happening, NO FLOOD, and on to today? Ark fail.
14) China. Unbroken history, to thousands of years PRIOR to the ark. No flood story. Ark fail.
15) Cave paintings in Europe. Charcoal. Immersion in water would have erased them. These are 15,000 years and older. Ark fail.
16) Rocks. If there were a global flood? You would see a universal, world-wide layer of compressed mud-- DATING TO THE SAME TIME. This is not the case-- not even a little bit. Ark fail.
17) Dead fish. Noah was >>not<< instructed to bring fishes onto the ark. Yet? Putting enough fresh (rain) water into the salt oceans to cover the mountains, would dilute it to dangerous levels-- KILLING ALL LIFE IN ALL THE OCEANS, EVERYWHERE.
From whence did modern sea life come from, then? Magic? Ark fail.
18) Insects. The number and variation of species of insects alone-- would have filled up the ark, hundreds of times over. Ark fail.
19) Birds. The number and variation of bird species-- including all the UNIQUE ONES from all the islands, would have filled up the ark multiple times over. Ark fail.
20) HOW did the animals get from the ark, to Australia? The animals living there now, and back to pre-historic times, are UNIQUE to that continent. And the Bible has NO MENTION of them-- AT ALL. Ark fail.
21) If the human race descended from Noah and his idiot sons?(By having sex with his daughters--as the Bible documents...)
Then we would see a genetic bottleneck, roughly 4,000 years ago, in the human genome. Do we see this? NO. Ark fail.
22) The population of the world, in 3,000 BCE, is too high, if all humans came from 4 breeding pairs, roughly 1,000 years earlier. Ark fail.

Noah: Boys, what happened to the flies on the lanai deck?
Ham: (Swats something on his neck) What do you mean?
Noah: Never mind.

 

[dad]

dad...

You do not seem to understand. There is no evidence of a "same nature past". Period.

 

[dad]

Our best hypothesis for the origins of the first life in the universe is naturalistic abiogenesis, which is also sometimes called chemical evolution (and biopoiesis).

Total fable. If that is your best you can keep it.

The only alternative is a supernatural explanation, which is gross violation of Occam's Razor, since it requires the existence of a god or gods. Also, we have evidence for the building blocks of life coming together to form living cells, but none for gods or creationism.

Christian monks believe in the supernatural actually. Silly little saying do not make your fables true. It may be simple for you to ignore God in creation, but it is simpler not to.

You believe what you want to be true. Nothing useful comes from that kind of thinking.

Nothing useful comes from your fables.

Just compare the intelligent design program to proper science, which is evidence and reason based, and specifically rejects faith-based thought (skepticism). Which of those approaches to reality has been fruitful, and which useless? Like astrology, another faith-based pseudoscience, ID can't be used for anything.

No idea what ID has done or not. We do know science has cooked up fables, and gave us life destroying weapons.

That is how faith poisons reason, even just a crumb of it. If I want to accurately add a column of multi-digit numbers, there is a strict protocol that must be followed. Whenever you add a 3 to a 5, you need to come up with 8 - pure reason. Deviate from that at all - say by choosing to believe by faith that 5 + 3 can equal 7 or 9 will derail your process. This is how faith damages thought:

Origins science is 100% faith and poison.

“If somewhere in the Bible I were to find a passage that said 2 + 2 = 5, I wouldn't question what I am reading in the Bible. I would believe it, accept it as true, and do my best to work it out and understand it."- Pastor Peter laRuffa

Relax, nothing like that is there.

You've done exactly that yourself, but with this flood.You read in your Bible that it happened, believed it on faith not only absent evidence, but despite contradictory evidence, and then proceeded to make up you own science to support your beliefs.

All evidence favors the flood you have been misled.

You realize that we have been up there. There is no firmament, and the stars are not fixed to a dome.

Space IS the firmament and you have been almost nowhere in it.

Also, the earth turned out to be spherical (almost).

Great. Thought the bible indicated something else?

The Rockies of Himalayas were here on earth in their present form (more or less) long before man or his myths.

Inside your inbred belief set, yes. In reality, no.

If you're referring to the god of the Christian Bible, it has already been ruled out by the evidence for biological evolution.

That is delusional.

Even if the theory is wrong and is falsified tomorrow, you've still got all of that evidence that came before to account for in the light of this new falsifying finding, and no other interpretation occurs to me than that an extremely powerful and deceptive agency intended for us to be deceived into believing that life had evolved on earth to the extent that it buried strata of life forms that never lived such that the most primitive appearing would be found deepest and with a combination of radionuclides that made them appear oldest, with progressively more modern forms appearing in shallower strata.

The little stuff died first. Man was here when that happened.

And it went to the trouble of creating all of those nested hierarchies and inserting ERVs into genomes as part of the great deception, scattered the ring species to be found, and the like.

Creation was nested. ERVs transferred differently in the former nature.

You keep making the mistake of thinking that because you don't know something, that automatically means nobody does or can. Yes, we know how high those mountains were even if you don't.

You believe. I know why. You are wrong.

 

[dad]

Yes I do-- this isn't Rocket Science. It's actually? Geology Science, which is why you never heard of it, and have no clue.

I know exactly why the believe nonsense.

But. I DO KNOW HOW HIGH THEY ARE TODAY.

I ALSO KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO CARVE THEM DOWN.

No you do not. They are all coming down to the ground soon.

I ALSO KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO MAKE THEM THE SIZE THEY ARE NOW.

False. You have religion and believe it. You cannot stand in the field of battle in a debate talking nitty gritty.

Million upon million upon MILLIONS of years-- OR ELSE? THE ENERGY RELEASE WOULD MELT THE PLANET.

Nonsense.

This is MATH. This is PHYSICS-- PROVEN.

Sounds more like drug induced delirium.

 

[dad]

I have NO religion. But. I KNOW MAGIC IS NOT REAL.

So do YOU-- this is why you REJECT IT.

But. Genesis 1:1 through about 10-ish? MUCH MAGIC WAS INVOKED.

Which means? GENESIS 1:1 IS MYTH-- never happened.

So sad, so sorry for YOU.

Talk big, type big, say nothing. Cute.

 

[dad]

"former nature"? What? MAGIC?

To you and your little belief set? Ha.

Because looking at a MODERN example? Earthquakes: Move mountains. Literally. But only a few FEET.

The continents did move even your religion knows that.

To get from your ludicrous and stupid "small hills" to Mount Everest? IS THOUSANDS OF FEET.

Correct and shoving continents thousand of miles fast makes a smash up happen. Mountains get uplifted.

That requires the spending of MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY-- even if it was MAGICALLY 99% EFFICIENT? (meaning only 1% waste heat)

Moving the plates in the former nature didn't cause the heat we would see today. However apparently near the end of the process we were into this nature so there was a lot of volcanic activity!

 

[dad]

Hey! WHAT DO YOU KNOW-- YOU LIED. Nothing from your Evil Bible about WINDOWS. Is there?

WORSE: IT IS PATENTLY, DEMONSTRATIVELY WRONG-WRONG-WRONG.

None of your myth? IS REAL. Humans have BEEN to this "firmament" -- it's empty space. Your god? Was noticeably ABSENT on those days of Space Travel.

Hoo ha INDEED: YOU LIED.

Sorry you don't know the bible. I thought you wanted verses on how the stars were in space and the water was on the other side of that space/firmament.

Here is the bible on the windows.
Ge 7:11 -In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

 

[dad]

"above the stars"? LMAO!

You really have no clue.... none at all...

WHAT IS NORTH OF THE NORTH POLE?

LMAO!

Right beyond where the stars were created was water.

 

[dad]

My Original List of ARK FAIL: 22 points, any ONE of which DESTROYS THE ARK MYTH, and I have 22.


1) a wooden boat made to Bible spec? Would break in 1/2 with the first 3 foot wave. Ark fail.
2) a wooden boat that size, without a rudder, would founder and sink with the first set of 5 foot waves. Ark fail.
3) there was only 1 hatch-- in the top-- how did they muck out the manure of 5 MILLION species of animals? Ark fail.
4) not enough room for food-- too small. Ark fail.
5) what did the meat-eaters eat? Every time Noah fed the lions or the tigers? *poof* a species of animal IS EXTINCT. Ark fail.
6) there is not enough water on the earth, to flood all the mountains, as specified in the Bible. Ark fail.
7) if it did rain enough water (magic?) in only 40 days, to cover all the mountains? The rate of water-fall would be as dense as actual water-- like being IN a waterfall, in fact. Such a high rate of fall, would have destroyed Noah's wooden boat in minutes.
More: Everything would have drowned, too. Ark fail.
8) Noah did not bring trees on board. Any biologist knows that trees, when drowned, die.
Noah was not on-board long enough for new Olive trees to re-grow in time for leaves to be found by his dove. Ark fail.
9) Terrestrial plant seeds, if immersed in water for very long-- several days-- will simply rot and die. After the whole earth was flooded, the Bible says nearly a year, before the water "went down"... WHERE? This would have destroyed ALL plant-life on earth.
Once Noah opened his boat? He would have seen nothing but deadwood and mud. All the plant-eaters starved within days.
Ark fail.
10) Once the ark was opened? Who fed the meat-eaters? Oops! The Tigers just ate that gazelle-- and now gazelles are extinct.
WHAT DID THE MEAT-EATERS EAT, AFTER THE ARK WAS OPENED? Only 2 pair, after all! Ark fail.
11) I guess the Unicorns, as mentioned in the Bible did not make the cut, onto the ark.... Ark fail?
12) What did Noah and his idiot sons drink, while on the ark? All the hatches, according to the Bible, were CLOSED. There was not enough room on-board, to carry enough water for Noah for nearly a year-- LET ALONE ALL THE ANIMALS, TOO. Ark fail.
13) Why are there ancient cities-- UNBROKEN-- from before the ark, right on through it's alleged happening, NO FLOOD, and on to today? Ark fail.
14) China. Unbroken history, to thousands of years PRIOR to the ark. No flood story. Ark fail.
15) Cave paintings in Europe. Charcoal. Immersion in water would have erased them. These are 15,000 years and older. Ark fail.
16) Rocks. If there were a global flood? You would see a universal, world-wide layer of compressed mud-- DATING TO THE SAME TIME. This is not the case-- not even a little bit. Ark fail.
17) Dead fish. Noah was >>not<< instructed to bring fishes onto the ark. Yet? Putting enough fresh (rain) water into the salt oceans to cover the mountains, would dilute it to dangerous levels-- KILLING ALL LIFE IN ALL THE OCEANS, EVERYWHERE.
From whence did modern sea life come from, then? Magic? Ark fail.
18) Insects. The number and variation of species of insects alone-- would have filled up the ark, hundreds of times over. Ark fail.
19) Birds. The number and variation of bird species-- including all the UNIQUE ONES from all the islands, would have filled up the ark multiple times over. Ark fail.
20) HOW did the animals get from the ark, to Australia? The animals living there now, and back to pre-historic times, are UNIQUE to that continent. And the Bible has NO MENTION of them-- AT ALL. Ark fail.
21) If the human race descended from Noah and his idiot sons?(By having sex with his daughters--as the Bible documents...)
Then we would see a genetic bottleneck, roughly 4,000 years ago, in the human genome. Do we see this? NO. Ark fail.
22) The population of the world, in 3,000 BCE, is too high, if all humans came from 4 breeding pairs, roughly 1,000 years earlier. Ark fail.

Most was already refuted and shown to be silly beliefs based on nothing.

As for your genome claim, the laws and nature define what that is like. Only in our present nature does DNA function and behave as we see it today. You don't have any useful samples from man or animals from pre flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You do not seem to understand. There is no evidence of a "same nature past". Period.

Wrong. I gave you an example. Ignorant denial won't cut it. Try again.