Science IS religion

[Subduction Zone]

Most was already refuted and shown to be silly beliefs based on nothing.

As for your genome claim, the laws and nature define what that is like. Only in our present nature does DNA function and behave as we see it today. You don't have any useful samples from man or animals from pre flood.

You should not lie. You have not refuted anything. Of course with a sub-fifth grade l level of scientific literacy that is near impossible to do.

 

[Altfish]

Of course if comets or pond sludge or sea vents or....whatever nonsense people feel may be believable that they can dream up is where life started, then evolution deals in origins. Even if you want to ignore the early origin claims about where it started, you are still left with all life evolving from simple lifeforms. That is your religion.

The big difference is that if a better explanation were put forward, rationalists would consider it and adopt it if it made sense. In other words we are open to change.
The problem with "God did it" is always the question, Where did god come from? Who created god?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I know exactly why the believe nonsense.
No you do not. They are all coming down to the ground soon.
False. You have religion and believe it. You cannot stand in the field of battle in a debate talking nitty gritty.

Nonsense.
Sounds more like drug induced delirium.

Blah-blah-blah-sim. Sad.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Most was already refuted and shown to be silly beliefs based on nothing..

100% a flat LIE by you. You refuted NOTHING. NOTHING. Just like your horrific religion.

As for your genome claim, the laws and nature define what that is like. Only in our present nature does DNA function and behave as we see it today. You don't have any useful samples from man or animals from pre flood.

LMAO! You do not even know what DNA is! You have shown you cannot distinguish DNA from cells!

ANYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT DNA IS AUTOMATICALLY WRONG (except by sheer random chance)

I WIN! YOU LOSE-- YOU DID NOT EVEN ATTEMPT A REPLY.

 

[Bear Wild]

Total fable. If that is your best you can keep it.
Christian monks believe in the supernatural actually. Silly little saying do not make your fables true. It may be simple for you to ignore God in creation, but it is simpler not to.

Nothing useful comes from your fables.

No idea what ID has done or not. We do know science has cooked up fables, and gave us life destroying weapons.

Origins science is 100% faith and poison.

Relax, nothing like that is there.

All evidence favors the flood you have been misled.

Space IS the firmament and you have been almost nowhere in it.
Great. Thought the bible indicated something else?

Inside your inbred belief set, yes. In reality, no.

That is delusional.




The little stuff died first. Man was here when that happened.
Creation was nested. ERVs transferred differently in the former nature.

You believe. I know why. You are wrong.

The only thing that is delusional is your posts. Your mind is closed to anything but what you believe. So you preach with words of superiority of knowledge because you have your book and nothing else matters. The obvious inconsistency of the bible with our world does not matter. You love the argument for argument sake and not to learn or exchange ideas as most who contribute on the forum. I have learned do much from others and have looked at what I believe from different viewpoints. You so far, sadly to say, will not learn. Your posts are only the desperate statements of a person on a mission to save the poor heathens who believe in science which makes you feel good. So you can post and post and post but never honestly consider anything others say. I feel sorry for you "Dad".

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

To you and your little belief set? Ha..

LIAR. I have no need for BELIEF-- BELIEF is what Idiots use in place of KNOWLEDGE.

I have KNOWLEDGE. .[/QUOTE]

The continents did move even your religion knows that..

OVER MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF YEARS-- YES.

Not in 120 years WHICH WOULD MELT THE CRUST-- KILLING EVERYTHING.

My but you are a DUMB one!

Correct and shoving continents thousand of miles fast makes a smash up happen. Mountains get uplifted.
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OVER MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF YEARS OR MORE. That's EXACTLY how it has to work-- or planet melted-- EXACTLY like the "brains" of a Creationist.

Moving the plates in the former nature didn't cause the heat we would see today. However apparently near the end of the process we were into this nature so there was a lot of volcanic activity!

Blah-blah-blah -- MAGIC AGAIN. LMAO!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Sorry you don't know the bible. I thought you wanted verses on how the stars were in space and the water was on the other side of that space/firmament.

Here is the bible on the windows.
Ge 7:11 -In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

LMAO! A 600 year old man who only had 4 boys.... LMAO!

So it is MAGIC AGAIN. Gotcha.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Right beyond where the stars were created was water.

LMAO! There is no such thing-- WHAT IS SOUTH OF THE SOUTH POLE?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

In looking at all the evidences such as the Cambrian explosion and etc etc..it fits. By the way deliberate creation is not spontaneous, as that word usually invokes something happening on it;s own.

In what way is the Cambrian Explosion evidence that life is formed magically?

Breaking it down for you then, if the laws and nature on earth were different, we could not expect the current realities and reasons for fossilization over a given time to apply.

And if my mother had wheels, she' be a bicycle.

What's your point?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

It may be simple for you to ignore God in creation, but it is simpler not to.

I wasn't going for simple. I was going for correct, which can be more difficult, but is worth the effort. Atheism requires intelligence and courage. What is easy is to accept the first holy book thrown into your playpen, and just believe that.

To the believer, the secular humanist says rise from your knees, cease groveling and calling yourself an unworthy worm in the eyes of an angry god, shed your magical thinking, stand up with pride like the bipedal ape you were born to be, and take your proper place in the cosmos..

Shed the comforting but disabling swaddling of religious belief, and look out into the universe, which may be almost empty, and which may contain no gods at all.

That may be terrifying to the person who has never tried it, but if you're still young and adaptable enough, the existential crisis will pass, and a new and enabling sense of self and one's place in the scheme of things will emerge.

Face and accept the very real possibility that we may be all there is for light years, and that things don't get better if we don't make them better.

Accept that you may be vulnerable and not watched over.

Accept the likelihood of your own mortality and finititude.

Accept the reality of your insignificance everywhere but earth, and that you might be unloved except by some of those around you.

Because as far as we know, that's how it is.

Or choose easy.

Nothing useful comes from your fables.

I've already posted this to you, but apparently, it made no impact:

"You stare into your high definition plasma screen monitor from the comfort or your air conditioned and electrically lighted home, type into your cordless keyboard then hit enter, which causes your computer to convert all that visual data into a binary signal that's processed by millions of precise circuits.

"This is then converted to a frequency modulated signal to reach your wireless router where it is then converted to light waves and sent along a large fiber optics cable to be processed by a super computer on a mass server.

"This sends that bit you typed to a satellite orbiting the earth that was put there through the greatest feats of engineering and science, all so it could go back through a similar pathway to make it all the way here to my computer monitor 15,000 miles away from you just so you could say, "Science is all a bunch of man made hogwash."- anon.

Do you not have any sense of the message you send when you rail against science using science?

No idea what ID has done or not.

It embarrassed Christianity further. There was a very fascinating trial iin which intelligent design was found to be religious pseudoscience. Several reputations were damaged. most notably Micheal Behe's. Dembski got pretty dinged up for tucking tail and running from the trial after some tough talk.

You are wrong.

Science works. It's working for both of us right now.

Magical thinking doesn't work. Prayer is inefficacious. You can put that Bible to no good use. There is nothing in there that can be used for anything.

And as I've explained to you before, that is the sine qua non of a correct idea. If an idea can be used better than competing ideas to predict outcomes, there is nothing else one needs to do to consider the idea correct and add it to his fund of useful ideas, or knowledge.

If that isn't how you approach reality, then what use are your ideas to others (or you)? This is pretty basic. If belief B leads to action A that results in desired outcome D, it's a keeper, and can be called whatever you call ideas that cork - correct, fact, knowledge, or truth.

You have religion and believe it.

I don't need religion. I've learned to navigate the world comfortably without it.

That seems to miff a lot of believers. They seem to resent that some people are happy outside religion, so they mean-spiritedly attempt to insult atheists by calling unbelief religion. You are only derogating actual religion.

The continents did move even your religion knows that.

The Christian Bible makes no mention of continental drift. You would have no such concept without my "religion." Yours was no help.

Mountains get uplifted.

Yes, and you can thank science again for that understanding, which was also unknown to the bible writers.

Right beyond where the stars were created was water.

This is what is wrong with faith-based thought. You've gone off the rails. I've recently provided the example of adding a column of numbers, which can only be done properly by the rigorous application of reason (arithmetic). Do it according to the rules of adding, and you will get a correct sum. One false step - just one - and you've gone off the rails. Do it by faith and you end up with nonsense, like that comment above.

Only in our present nature does DNA function and behave as we see it today.

More magical thinking. You just want something to be true, tell yourself it is, then believe that. This allows you to believe wrong ideas. This is how they get into your head.

DNA functions according to the relevant physical laws, which we can say with confidence have been constant since the earliest instants of the universe to within very narrow limits. We can visualize distant events that took place near the beginning of time.such as galaxy and star formation, which seem to obey the same rules we see today operating in our galaxy today.

We see the same spectral emission lines from the same atoms whose electrons were jumping from the same shells in exactly the same manner then as now. These kinds of findings as well as the confirmed predictions of the Big Bang theory are what put those very tight limits on how much the laws of physics could have changed.

 

[dad]

Wrong. I gave you an example. Ignorant denial won't cut it. Try again.

No you didn't you claimed this

"I do not need to provide evidence that it did not change"

Therefore you may make no models based on one. Hahaha

 

[dad]

The big difference is that if a better explanation were put forward, rationalists would consider it and adopt it if it made sense. In other words we are open to change.
The problem with "God did it" is always the question, Where did god come from? Who created god?

He was born in Bethlehem. Before that is above our paygrade. You figure if you cannot comprehend God and how He created, you can make up what you like?

 

[dad]

100% a flat LIE by you. You refuted NOTHING. NOTHING. Just like your horrific religion.


LMAO! You do not even know what DNA is! You have shown you cannot distinguish DNA from cells!

ANYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT DNA IS AUTOMATICALLY WRONG (except by sheer random chance)

I WIN! YOU LOSE-- YOU DID NOT EVEN ATTEMPT A REPLY.

You do not know what DNA was in Noah's day. Your big letter spam nonsense is refuted. Gong!

 

[dad]

The only thing that is delusional is your posts. Your mind is closed to anything but what you believe. So you preach with words of superiority of knowledge because you have your book and nothing else matters. The obvious inconsistency of the bible with our world does not matter. You love the argument for argument sake and not to learn or exchange ideas as most who contribute on the forum. I have learned do much from others and have looked at what I believe from different viewpoints. You so far, sadly to say, will not learn. Your posts are only the desperate statements of a person on a mission to save the poor heathens who believe in science which makes you feel good. So you can post and post and post but never honestly consider anything others say. I feel sorry for you "Dad".

You say nothing and are defeated, but believe real hard in your religion. Pathetic. I figure any belief set worth it's salt should be able to defend itself.

 

[dad]

LIAR. I have no need for BELIEF-- BELIEF is what Idiots use in place of KNOWLEDGE.

I have KNOWLEDGE.



OVER MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF YEARS-- YES.

Not in 120 years WHICH WOULD MELT THE CRUST-- KILLING EVERYTHING.

My but you are a DUMB one!


OVER MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF YEARS OR MORE. That's EXACTLY how it has to work-- or planet melted-- EXACTLY like the "brains" of a Creationist.


Blah-blah-blah -- MAGIC AGAIN. LMAO!

Defeated you will remain. Desperate weird big and small letters doesn't help you. Your religious old ages cannot be supported and are faith based. Rather than a reasoned or logical position being presented we see you casting out false accusations like firebrands and digressing into insane looking defeatist posts.

 

[dad]

LMAO! A 600 year old man who only had 4 boys.... LMAO!

So it is MAGIC AGAIN. Gotcha.

Rather than apologize for the false allegation of claiming I had no biblical support you grasp at some other portion of the verse in an attempt to divert and doubt and avoid the issue. Knavish.

As stated, in the former nature long lives were the normal course of events. The records show that.

 

[dad]

LMAO! There is no such thing-- WHAT IS SOUTH OF THE SOUTH POLE?

Focus. The far side of the universe has nothing to do with earth coordinates.

 

[dad]

In what way is the Cambrian Explosion evidence that life is formed magically?

Suddenly.

And if my mother had wheels, she' be a bicycle.

What's your point?[/QUOTE]
If you can prove nature was the same as you claim, do it. Otherwise blabber about your mom...and live in her basement if you like.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No you didn't you claimed this

"I do not need to provide evidence that it did not change"

Therefore you may make no models based on one. Hahaha

Quoting out of context is often a method of lying. And this is an example of lying by quoting out of context. Why did you ignore the evidence that was provided to you in that post? It is still there. I said that I had no burden of proof because of your attempt to shift the burden of proof, yet I gave you evidence anyway. Here is a link to that post:

Science IS religion

dad, bearing false witness against your neighbor is a breaking one of the Big Ten. I cannot see an actual Christian repeatedly breaking that Commandment.

 

[Altfish]

He was born in Bethlehem. Before that is above our paygrade. You figure if you cannot comprehend God and how He created, you can make up what you like?

No, I didn't say that. "I don't know" is a satisfactory answer to me.