Science IS religion

[dad]

Of course you would not-- reading it would destroy -- utterly -- your exceedingly fragile "faith".

I am familiar with the evo faith actually, especially the modern versions of it. I would not swim in a sewage facility pool because it is disgusting and filthy. NOT because it is some danger to my faith!

15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

The basis for all models of the past is basically a belief in a same nature in the past. Prove it. Or you have belief only. I happen to know your religion cannot be defended, but the thread is here for you to try.

Nope. The book is about descent. Clearly you have never-ever-ever even had a copy, let alone read it.

It claims man descended from animals, and that deals with the origin of man. It is opposed to creation. Like to den it? Ha.

One thing we know for sure: Humans did NOT come-- EVER-- from a single pair-- or 4 pair of parents.

Since the former nature did not have DNA work as we know it now if there was a different set of laws in place, your claim is a joke. Prove the same state past or no claim based on it has ANY value.

Meaning? IF YOUR GOD IS REAL-- HE LIED HIS GODLY TUSHY OFF.

I am glad you seem to realize on of the creation/origin stories are false. Having spent some time on a 'christian' (catholic) forum debating, I was faced with people trying to claim both were true.

The details of which you have NO CLUE--

If there is some interesting or relevant detail on an origin claim, simply post it. My job will be to roast it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You observe light from stars here on earth and the solar system area. That is not direct observation any more than a disney land viewer is.

So you deny we can even see. Well there is just no point in trying to discuss scientific observations with you. You don't value them.

 

[siti]

That's not what that book says. That's not what ANY of that book says.

YOU DID NOT READ ONE WORD OF THE BOOK, did you?

Isn't lying a sin?

Actually that's the cover of a "spoof" creationist version that contains (or rather consists of) a very long version of the incredible inanity of none other than "banana man" - Ray Comfort himself - explaining why nobody should believe the undeniable evidence before their eyes...rather like @dad is doing in this equally unbelievably extended discussion of the most crackpot idea I have ever clapped eyes on. In the case of this "out of the fishbowl" worldview, seeing certainly is believing - nobody could possibly have imagined that such a preposterous idea existed unless they'd actually seen it written down.

I would not recommend anyone read it.

Absolutely agree!

@dad - do you realize that you now have the distinction of joining the author of that "introduction" at the top of the world rankings of silliest people who have yet to become recipients of Darwin Awards?

 

[gnostic]

Rev6: 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


Need more?

Good grief.

The level of your ignorance is just bewildering.

That is just example of taking this verse too literally.

No stars have ever fallen on Earth.

These are called meteors and meteorites and on occasion comets do sometimes crash on planets. They are not stars.

Stars are large body made mainly of hydrogen and then helium, with only trace amount of other heavier elements, like carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, etc.

Any star that approach closer to the Earth, would cause the Earth’s atmosphere to evaporate or burn off, will set everything on fire, leaving no oxygen to breath. It will essentially kill off all life on Earth, leaving earth to be nothing more than like Venus and Mercury, a desolated planet.

Stars are far too hot, and only star in our vicinity is our sun. Much of the sun’s energy, is through fusion of hydrogen atomic nuclei into heavier element like helium.

If we were to lose our orbit and crash into the sun, the Earth as we know it wouldn’t exist anymore.

The meteorites don’t cause such destruction. Generally they are cold while floating in space, and you would only see them when they light up from the friction while skipping or entering the Earth’s atmosphere. They don’t light themselves up.

No stars would or have fallen on earth. You are confusing stars with meteorites.

Man, you are just plain ignorant to actually believe Revelation 6:13.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The thread is about the basis upon which so called sciences dealing with origins issues base their claims/models.

The thread is neither about the bible or what you believe science is etc.

Either support the actual basis of old age claims and origin claims or face the facts that you can't! Ha. I can.

Yes, it supposedly is. The problem is that you appear to have no idea what science is, how it is done, or why we know that it is trustworthy. That is why I offered to go over the basics with you. By the way, it is not about what I think science is. It is about what I can show science to be.

So what do you say? Are you ready to learn the basics?

 

[dad]

Yes, it supposedly is. The problem is that you appear to have no idea what science is, how it is done, or why we know that it is trustworthy. That is why I offered to go over the basics with you. By the way, it is not about what I think science is. It is about what I can show science to be.

So what do you say? Are you ready to learn the basics?

However you think it is done just post the evidence for time existing in the far universe the same as earth. Or post the proof that earth had the same nature always. That was I can toss out my bible and your belief system is elevated to knowledge.

Good luck with that!

 

[dad]

So you deny we can even see. Well there is just no point in trying to discuss scientific observations with you. You don't value them.

Surely you are aware that by the time we see light from stars, it is not live? They claim some stars may even be dark but we don't see it yet. You do realize that all observations in space are seen on earth or at least the vicinity of the solar system?

 

[dad]

Actually that's the cover of a "spoof" creationist version that contains (or rather consists of) a very long version of the incredible inanity of none other than "banana man" - Ray Comfort himself - explaining why nobody should believe the undeniable evidence before their eyes...rather like @dad is doing in this equally unbelievably extended discussion of the most crackpot idea I have ever clapped eyes on. In the case of this "out of the fishbowl" worldview, seeing certainly is believing - nobody could possibly have imagined that such a preposterous idea existed unless they'd actually seen it written down.

Absolutely agree!

@dad - do you realize that you now have the distinction of joining the author of that "introduction" at the top of the world rankings of silliest people who have yet to become recipients of Darwin Awards?

Flattery will get you nowhere.

 

[Subduction Zone]

However you think it is done just post the evidence for time existing in the far universe the same as earth. Or post the proof that earth had the same nature always. That was I can toss out my bible and your belief system is elevated to knowledge.

Good luck with that!

There is no point. You lack the understanding of what is and what is not evidence and sadly you appear to be afraid to learn.

Fear is a terrible.mater.

 

[dad]

Good grief.

The level of your ignorance is just bewildering.

That is just example of taking this verse too literally.

No stars have ever fallen on Earth.

Nor does the verse say that have! That is prophesy. And you call other posters ignorant!!!!!?

These are called meteors and meteorites and on occasion comets do sometimes crash on planets. They are not stars.

Not what the bible says in any way. You are trying to find something science says can happen that sort of seemingly fits.

Stars are large body made mainly of hydrogen and then helium, with only trace amount of other heavier elements, like carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, etc.

To know how big or small it is, you need to know distance! To know distance you need to know time and space exist the same from here to the star. You do not. Period.

Any star that approach closer to the Earth, would cause the Earth’s atmosphere to evaporate or burn off, will set everything on fire, leaving no oxygen to breath. It will essentially kill off all life on Earth, leaving earth to be nothing more than like Venus and Mercury, a desolated planet.

According to your models of what the universe is like, of course. Too bad you didn't actually know after all eh?

Stars are far too hot, and only star in our vicinity is our sun. Much of the sun’s energy, is through fusion of hydrogen atomic nuclei into heavier element like helium.

The sun is not a star in the bible, only the belief system of cosmology. A star did come to earth and led people to a house in a town. No one got burned.

If we were to lose our orbit and crash into the sun, the Earth as we know it wouldn’t exist anymore.

Good thing God created it so that does not happen.

The meteorites don’t cause such destruction. Generally they are cold while floating in space, and you would only see them when they light up from the friction while skipping or entering the Earth’s atmosphere. They don’t light themselves up.

Speculation that stars in the bible mean meteorites.

Man, you are just plain ignorant to actually believe Revelation 6:13.

I could say the same about you and your beliefs.

 

[dad]

There is no point. You lack the understanding of what is and what is not evidence and sadly you appear to be afraid to learn.

Fear is a terrible.mater.

No point in reading your posts then if they will not contain support for your religion and claims.

 

[gnostic]

Since the former nature did not have DNA work as we know it now if there was a different set of laws in place, your claim is a joke. Prove the same state past or no claim based on it has ANY value.

You really don't understand the concept of "evidence" or that of "burden of proof", do you?

The world today have life, and these life, particularly complex organism, are made of different biological matters, like brains, hearts, lungs, bones, proteins, DNA, RNA, etc.

But you are saying the world was different back then, with different law of nature. With you making up such claim - a different world, with different law of nature - then it is really you should to provide evidence such world and law exist.

You cannot demand people to provide evidences for the world that don't exist, except in your imagination or fantasy.

 

[Bear Wild]

However you think it is done just post the evidence for time existing in the far universe the same as earth. Or post the proof that earth had the same nature always. That was I can toss out my bible and your belief system is elevated to knowledge.

Good luck with that!

Keep preaching Dad. We know what you are doing. You know your know you knowledge is inadequate to those who have tried to enlighten you. Your only resource is to ignore all reality and intentionally falsifying what you know. You show you have no understanding of evolution and worse yet you show lack of understanding of the book you hold sacred. I know you will come up with some response from ignorance again and again. I actually feel sorry for you. You have blinded yourself to the world that created you and you probably will never understand why. I can only hope someday you will recognize your mistake but until then bring on the meaningless responses to those with better understanding. Your messages only degrade you argument and strengthen those who have seen the light.

 

[Bear Wild]

You really don't understand the concept of "evidence" or that of "burden of proof", do you?

The world today have life, and these life, particularly complex organism, are made of different biological matters, like brains, hearts, lungs, bones, proteins, DNA, RNA, etc.

But you are saying the world was different back then, with different law of nature. With you making up such claim - a different world, with different law of nature - then it is really you should to provide evidence such world and law exist.

You cannot demand people to provide evidences for the world that don't exist, except in your imagination or fantasy.

He does not care! It is his goal to antagonize with no intention of listening to others. Look at all the work that others have offered and he makes fun of it. Having lived in the deep south I have seen and heard so many like him. Many of his type misuse the bible for monetary gain or political power or control. He is just a sad dad. The rest of us will respect your knowledge and contribution but dad evidently never will. It is his loss.

 

[Bear Wild]

There is no point. You lack the understanding of what is and what is not evidence and sadly you appear to be afraid to learn.

Fear is a terrible.mater.

He does not want to understand. If he did his world falls apart.

 

[dad]

You really don't understand the concept of "evidence" or that of "burden of proof", do you?

Try understanding this concept, you either can prove it or heavily support your claims with evidence or not! Trying to avoid supporting the mother of all beliefs you use for all models of the far past is simply absurd.

The world today have life, and these life, particularly complex organism, are made of different biological matters, like brains, hearts, lungs, bones, proteins, DNA, RNA, etc.

Yes and Adam had bones as well as Noah. So what? The forces of nature, that determine even how atoms behave must influence how genetics work! The only question is can you prove nature was the same yes or no.
You do not get to assume it and build models on the assumptions. That is belief, not knowledge.

But you are saying the world was different back then, with different law of nature. With you making up such claim - a different world, with different law of nature - then it is really you should to provide evidence such world and law exist.

Science does not know either way. The evidence of history and the bible suggest it was different.

You cannot demand people to provide evidences for the world that don't exist, except in your imagination or fantasy.

Pitiful that you cannot provide evidence for the pillar used in so called science models of the past.

 

[dad]

Keep preaching Dad. We know what you are doing. You know your know you knowledge is inadequate to those who have tried to enlighten you.

Don't call darkness light or your unsupported beliefs knowledge. I have showed that yours is a religion and beliefs only and that you are proselytizing here rather than providing any evidence at all.

Your only resource is to ignore all reality and intentionally falsifying what you know.

The thread is about you trying to support your claims of science by showing they are not just beliefs. You failed. Really. Totally. Comically.

You show you have no understanding of evolution and worse yet you show lack of understanding of the book you hold sacred.

The nly understanding of evolution anyone needs here is the comprehension that it is either based on beliefs or not. Yes, there is evolving happening, and no, there is no evidence that man exists because of this.

I know you will come up with some response from ignorance again and again. I actually feel sorry for you. You have blinded yourself to the world that created you and you probably will never understand why. I can only hope someday you will recognize your mistake but until then bring on the meaningless responses to those with better understanding. Your messages only degrade you argument and strengthen those who have seen the light.

Talk big and keep demonstrating you are delusional if you like. How about save the blather and get down to showing us your origin claims are not based on beliefs but fact and knowledge? Hint: Don't say it, demonstrate it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Surely you are aware that by the time we see light from stars, it is not live?

Such a claim depends upon scientific principles and observations which you don't believe in, so your claim is groundless. As far as the biblical canon is concerned there is no delay between what is seen and what occurs. There's no reason in biblical canon to expect things like redshift. The rainbow comes from the LORD every time it appears after rain, miraculously. In the Bible the rainbow doesn't come from light entering crystals, nor from reflections nor passing through solid objects. The sun is also a miracle every day. So does is light, completely separate from the sun and stars and needs neither to appear. The sun happens to rule the day, and the stars and moon happen to rule the night; but they don't make daylight. Nothing in the Bible is scientific. If it were up to the Bible nobody would even bother to make observations, and nobody did for many centuries. Same goes for the Koran, though it makes some claims about nature that the Bible doesn't. Neither of them suggest careful measurement and skepticism.

They claim some stars may even be dark but we don't see it yet. You do realize that all observations in space are seen on earth or at least the vicinity of the solar system?

Claim? Observe, report, consider, announce results because Science is a discipline, not a religion.

 

[Bear Wild]

Don't call darkness light or your unsupported beliefs knowledge. I have showed that yours is a religion and beliefs only and that you are proselytizing here rather than providing any evidence at all.


The thread is about you trying to support your claims of science by showing they are not just beliefs. You failed. Really. Totally. Comically.
The nly understanding of evolution anyone needs here is the comprehension that it is either based on beliefs or not. Yes, there is evolving happening, and no, there is no evidence that man exists because of this.


Talk big and keep demonstrating you are delusional if you like. How about save the blather and get down to showing us your origin claims are not based on beliefs but fact and knowledge? Hint: Don't say it, demonstrate it.

You responded exactly as I predicted. Your arrogance and ignorance is beyond imagination. Love the "Don't say it. demonstrate it." statement. Everyone has been demonstrating it but you don't care. Facts and evidence equaling knowledge have been given to you. You ignore it all. We know what you are doing and I know you will keep on preaching. The evidence from so many that took the time to help you, you have ignored but is there when you are ready to learn if you ever are.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No point in reading your posts then if they will not contain support for your religion and claims.

You misunderstand me. I will gladly support my claims once there is a chance that you will understand the evidence supplied. Right now you are not even at a fifth grader's level of scientific literacy. All you can do is to respond with a "Nuh-uh."

But I predict that you will continue to run away.