Science Proves Religions of the World To Be Accurate!

[F1fan]

If God says something it’s not a lie.

So God must exist for this rule to be true. So you are asserting God is real since you are claiming this is a valid rule? Would you make up a rule for a God not known to exist?

Your problem is that you are placing himal morals on God and God doesn’t follow the same rules we do.

Again you refer to God as if it is real, so is that your stance? You said it wasn't provable.

And why wouldn't a God follow the same moral code as for humans?

 

[Valjean]

Absolutely, scientific discoveries help to clear up many things in the Bible that we don’t understand. It’s also amazing that nothing science has discovered has ever contradicted anything in the Bible.

!!!! -- Age of the Earth. Formation of the Earth and universe, Development of life. Noachian flood, Egyptian plagues. Egyptian exodus?

 

[Valjean]

No it isn’t.

The Bible said the Earth flooded but in Hebrew the word Earth has six different meanings.

Everything from your dwelling to a plot of land to the entire planet.

Archeology has already proven that region was living in experienced a massive flood during his time so no contradiction.

You just don’t know how to interpret the Bible.

It's amazing how true believers can interpret and rationalize away literally anything not congruent with their preferred mythology.
Why was this linguistic ambiguity never noticed by biblical scholars, historians, linguists, or the church?

 

[Valjean]

You are forgetting who is doing it.

God said Noah was flooded out so now it’s up to us to figure out the how.
I believe Discovery looked at this issue and determined that if the Mediterranean flooded severely it would be more than enough water to flood out that area.

But how do you know what God said or did? Other religions have different Gods, different creation stories, different mythologies. Their Gods say different things. How do you know your God is the real one; that your biblical mythology is true? How do you know Quetzalcoatl isn't the real God?

Doesn't all this take actual, objective evidence to decide? What is the empirical evidence for your God or Christ? What about the evidence for Isis or Thor?
How do you account for the numerous errors and contradictions in the Christian Bible?

 

[Valjean]

Reality exists wholly independently of reason, science, and religion. Reality is logic manifest. life is logic incarnate.

Gobbledygook.

Incorrect. There is anecdotal evidence and logic. There are independent Sumerian accounts.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. There's anecdotal evidence for all sorts of spurious events and creatures.
Myths and folk stories proliferate widely. Different cultures borrow stories from each other.
No court would accept even first-person, eyewitness accounts of such fantastical events without corroborating evidence, yet you accept ancient folk tales with no empirical evidence without question.

Our species is very superstitious and would have gone extinct before we could invent agriculture. there mustta been an intermediate species and this species mustta gone extinct shortly before our history began.

Huh? Why would being superstitious have led to extinction. What does agriculture have to do with anything?
Why must there have been an intermediate species? Explain the need. Intermediate to what? Where is the evidence of such a species?

Homo omnisciencis is married to the status quo.

???? -- explain.

Ancient Language existed and was the metaphysics of ancient science. It was based on the logic of the wiring of the human brain and 40,000 years of observation.

How is language a metaphysics? What is this ancient science? Science is an investigational modality.
This makes no sense. Do you understand what logic is? You keep misusing the word. How is neural wiring 'logical'?
What was discovered by 40,000 years of observation?

Out language can not format logic. It formats each individual's beliefs. There was necessarily a transition.

But logic is expressed in language. It's even better expressed in maths.

 

[Valjean]

Noah had no idea how big the earth was, nobody did so how could they say the whole planet was flooded?

Good point. So why did he?
Did he even exist? The whole story makes no sense.

Ok, believe what you wish, ultimately it’s an irrelevant point

It's eminently relevant. The whole point of the story revolves around total destruction and a new genesis.

Non believers will never believe so it’s rather pointless to discuss this with you

Non-believers have good reasons for their disbelief. Believers do not.

 

[RestlessSoul]

“Firewood becomes ash, and it does not become firewood again”
- Dogen Zenji

A 13th Century Buddhist priest intuits the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, about six centuries before European physicists.

 

[Valjean]

Then one should not try to go out of one's way to say that parts of the Bible that are clearly not factual as being factual.

For example do you realize that in Matthew Jesus was born about 4 BC or even earlier and in Luke Jesus was born in 6 AD? Are the contradicting Nativity myths necessary to believe in Jesus?

 

[Valjean]

You have no idea what time was back then, all of these things you claim are factual are not, they are your opinion.

However if they are factual then you should let the world know that you are the first person to conclusively prove that God isn’t real.

Maybe you would get an award for such a discovery.

Non-believers don't need to prove anything. The burden of proof is on the believers

I never claimed that.

I said our interpretation of events back then are anything but crystal clear.

What I do know is God gave us exactly what He wanted us to have in the Bible.

But how do you know this?
How do you know that Vishnu isn't the true God?
How do you know your mythology is true and all the other religions false?
How do you know there even is a God?

I don't think your beliefs are based on real, empirical evidence

 

[shunyadragon]

You have no idea what time was back then, all of these things you claim are factual are not, they are your opinion.

However if they are factual then you should let the world know that you are the first person to conclusively prove that God isn’t real.

Maybe you would get an award for such a discovery.

I believe in God but by the factual evidence of the text, there are conflicts in the Gospels and severe problems in Genesis and the Pentateuch that conflict with known science and history and are impossible.

 

[shunyadragon]

You can’t prove the existence of God either way unlike the poster I was responding to who factually knows God isn’t real because of some flood that happened 3000 years ago.

I do not believe it is an issue of the existence of God. It is a problem with fallible humans compiling, redacting, and editing the scriptures over time after time the events took place based on third-hand accounts and mythical events.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

I do not believe it is an issue of the existence of God. It is a problem with fallible humans compiling, redacting, and editing the scriptures over time after time the events took place based on third-hand and mythical events.

So you really think God is sitting in Heaven going “no, don’t write that it’s not what I meant”?

Lol

 

[Tinkerpeach]

I believe in God but by the factual evidence of the text, there are conflicts in the Gospels and severe problems in Genesis and the Pentateuch that conflict with known science and history and are impossible.

There are no conflicts in the Bible only with our understanding of events.

God is infallible we are not and you shouldn’t put our intelligence above His as if you’ve somehow caught Him in something

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are no conflicts in the Bible only with our understanding of events.

God is infallible we are not and you shouldn’t put our intelligence above His as if you’ve somehow caught Him in something

No, you have no way of knowing this. What you need to admit, if you are honest is that at the very least the Bible appears to be countless self contradictions. It has bad morals. It has scientific, archaeological, and historical errors.

That means that you cannot claim "Science agrees with the Bible" when it clearly does not.

You cannot claim that "Archaeology agrees with the Bible" when it clearly does not.

You cannot claim that "History agrees with the Bible" when it clearly does not.

If you want to make those claims you cannot just count the hits and ignore the misses. One miss means that you cannot make those claims. The Bible is not going to be 100% wrong, but that does not mean that it is 100% right. Not even close.

 

[cladking]

Gobbledygook.

And such a simple concept as well.

If there were laws of nature they existed before they were discovered by man and will remain long after after we've killed ourselves.

If there is a God he existed long before homo omnisciencis and will remain long after after we've killed ourselves.

Reality doesn't revolve around humanity. We are a tiny little p[art of it.

 

[cladking]

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. There's anecdotal evidence for all sorts of spurious events and creatures.
Myths and folk stories proliferate widely. Different cultures borrow stories from each other.
No court would accept even first-person, eyewitness accounts of such fantastical events without corroborating evidence, yet you accept ancient folk tales with no empirical evidence without question.

I said; "There is anecdotal evidence and logic. There are independent Sumerian accounts."

And you ignored it.

Why would being superstitious have led to extinction.

Our species homo omnisciencis, act on what we believe. Bad beliefs lead to bad actions as surely as the believe in survival of the fittest kills more people every year.

???? -- explain.

"Homo omnisciencis is married to the status quo."

The statement is clear enough. It's another way of saying science changes one funeral at a time. It's another way of saying that people are a product of their time and place. People are afraid of change so we tolerate corruption and waste or anything else. Civilizations rise and fall because people do not change but the world (reality) does anyway.

 

[shunyadragon]

There are no conflicts in the Bible only with our understanding of events/

Conflicts are documented beyond any reasonable doubt, by actual documented historical events.

Your first challenge concerning conflicts with science I responded in detail concerning very real documented problems with science and you failed to respond.

God is infallible we are not and you shouldn’t put our intelligence above His as if you’ve somehow caught Him in something.

humans that compiled and edited the scriptures are obviously not infallible.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Conflicts are documented beyond any reasonable doubt, by actual documented historical events.

Your first challenge concerning conflicts with science I responded in detail concerning very real documented problems with science and you failed to respond.




humans that compiled and edited the scriptures are obviously not infallible.

But God is. You really think He just let them write whatever they wanted even if it was wrong?

You sure have no problem elevating humans to a position higher than God that’s for sure.

 

[cladking]

How is language a metaphysics?

If I say you'll tell me metaphysics is magic.

What is this ancient science?

Natural science like beaver science.

Science is an investigational modality.

Very good.

How is neural wiring 'logical'?

It unfolds in utero according to mathematical and fractal formatting. Logic is reality and the wiring of the brain is logical. All other life forms on earth are logical.

But logic is expressed in language.

No. Our language has been confused since the tower of babel remember? Our words have no meaning until they are parsed and everyone parses them differently. There CAN exist no inherent logic in anything stated in the language of homo omnisciencis. It's impossible. We can only approximate it and hope the listener is at least TRYING to parse it as we intended. Are you?

It is not at all unusual for people to intentionally misparse things said by those they believe are religious. We all tend to parse exactly what we expect.

 

[shunyadragon]

I said; "There is anecdotal evidence and logic. There are independent Sumerian accounts."

And you ignored it.



Our species homo omnisciencis, act on what we believe. Bad beliefs lead to bad actions as surely as the believe in survival of the fittest kills more people every year.

Nothing was ignored except you failed to follow the discussion.
It has been repeatedly discussed the relationship where the Genesis account was likely adapted and edited from the older Sumerian account, but this is not anecdotal evidence to support the Genesis account ever happened. It is simply confirmation that the Biblical account never took place and like all the accounts of Genesis are evolved accounts of older accounts from other cultures, and in reality never happened as per Hebrew accounts.

The objectively verifiable evidence is yes a local catastrophic flood occurred in the Tigris Euphrates valley in ancient history dated by geologic evidence and was passed on as oral legend. It was later described in Sumerian text in their version of the first writing. It was later described in Babylonian texts, then Canaanite and Ugarit texts in their version. Later the Hebrews adapted the legend and expanded on it to be a world flood ordered by God to cleanse the world of evil, but of course that did not work.