Science vs. Gnosis

[LukeS]

What type of knowledge is superior? Science and Gnosis seems both attempt to understand things that can't always be seen. Is one side any better or are they extremes that have a way to converge? Knoweldge should be knowledge no matter what you want to call it.

Balance is needed.

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches" - revelation 2:29

 

[Polymath257]

Everyone here should know about the Vienna circle and what it represented. Basically it was a group of the top scientists etc of the day that met to discuss the issues related to science and the philosophy of science. The neopositivism movement was debated there at Vienna with only one true dissenter and that was the theist Kurt Godel. The Vienna circle was one of many groups located in Europe discussing 'verificationism' which means ' only statements verifiable through empirical observation are cognitively meaningful.' That is anything that is not provable by empirical experiment is meaningless.

So this is where science remains today, stuck in a tar pit called verificationism and because of it some of the more advanced science disciplines are approaching the limits of its ability to solve and answer some very vexing phenomena and questions.

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And because they cannot yet be tested, they are held provisionally. It isn't just verification that is required to obtain knowledge. It is testing. Testing to find out where your ideas *fail*. Testing that attempts to dig into the nooks and crannies and see if the ideas still work there.

But yes, anything not possible to test, even in theory, is meaningless. But the amount that *can* be tested is typically far more than most people seem to think.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

What type of knowledge is superior? Science and Gnosis seems both attempt to understand things that can't always be seen. Is one side any better or are they extremes that have a way to converge? Knoweldge should be knowledge no matter what you want to call it.

Those words on paper have the exact same definition. In practice, one of those words generally refers to 'final/immutable' knowledge while the other refers to a continuing quest for better knowledge.