Science without words

[paarsurrey]

Science without words - How do we identify science without a textual representation or language?Science would have not developed without a language.
If you were to observe a group of people who could not communicate with nor understood any language, how Science would have developed and conveyed to the next generation. What could we learn about science without languages. Language is absolutely necessary to understand science?

G-d endowed the human beings with languages* so that we can better our worldly living and also to know Him for our moral and spiritual needs in this world and in the hereafter. Right, please?

Regards
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#1
*G-d mentions this in Quran explicitly:
[55:2]اَلرَّحۡمٰنُ ۙ﴿۲﴾
It is God, the Gracious
[55:3]عَلَّمَ الۡقُرۡاٰنَ ؕ﴿۳﴾
Who has taught the Qur’an.
[55:4]خَلَقَ الۡاِنۡسَانَ ۙ﴿۴﴾
He has created man.
[55:5]عَلَّمَہُ الۡبَیَانَ ﴿۵﴾
He has taught him plain speech.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 55: Ar-Rahman
And there is no other claimant.

 

[ChristineM]

Science studies the natural, the natural would exist in just the same way it exists with or without science.

All science does is explain that natural

 

[Altfish]

Science without words - How do we identify science without a textual representation or language?Science would have not developed without a language.
If you were to observe a group of people who could not communicate with nor understood any language, how Science would have developed and conveyed to the next generation. What could we learn about science without languages. Language is absolutely necessary to understand science?

G-d endowed the human beings with languages* so that we can better our worldly living and also to know Him for our moral and spiritual needs in this world and in the hereafter. Right, please?

Regards
___________
#1
*G-d mentions this in Quran explicitly:
[55:2]اَلرَّحۡمٰنُ ۙ﴿۲﴾
It is God, the Gracious
[55:3]عَلَّمَ الۡقُرۡاٰنَ ؕ﴿۳﴾
Who has taught the Qur’an.
[55:4]خَلَقَ الۡاِنۡسَانَ ۙ﴿۴﴾
He has created man.
[55:5]عَلَّمَہُ الۡبَیَانَ ﴿۵﴾
He has taught him plain speech.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 55: Ar-Rahman
And there is no other claimant.

It's a pity that the languages his holy books are written in is so poor that it can be interpreted in what ever way you want.

 

[paarsurrey]

It's a pity that the languages his holy books are written in is so poor that it can be interpreted in what ever way you want.

One's understanding is incorrect.
Kindly try to quote a verse/s opposite to it from Quran to prove one's point of view, please.

Regards

 

[shunyadragon]

One's understanding is incorrect.
Kindly try to quote a verse/s opposite to it from Quran to prove one's point of view, please.

Regards

Science does that very well concerning the Torah, Tanakh, Bible and the Quran as far as the nature of our physical existence. Ancient scripture cannot explain science.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

One's understanding is incorrect.
Kindly try to quote a verse/s opposite to it from Quran to prove one's point of view, please.

Regards

What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

So it would appear that the Quran is inconsistent on at least this one point, it claims man was made from a clot of blood, from moulded mud, from dust, from nothing, and from a sperm-drop.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

It's a pity that the languages his holy books are written in is so poor that it can be interpreted in what ever way you want.

That’s why you study the context of the whole, not just certain passages.

 

[paarsurrey]

What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

So it would appear that the Quran is inconsistent on at least this one point, it claims man was made from a clot of blood, from moulded mud, from dust, from nothing, and from a sperm-drop.

The verses of Quran quoted by me do not mention as to how man was created. It mentions that G-d has:

1. "[55:3]Who has taught the Qur’an."
2. "[55:4]He has created man."
3. "[55:5]He has taught him plain speech."

There is no other claimant of these three things. That was the question, please.

Regards
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• "G-d endowed the human beings with languages* so that we can better our worldly living" by way of Science.
• "and also to know Him for our moral and spiritual needs in this world and in the hereafter" for our Religion.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That’s why you study the context of the whole, not just certain passages.

And I suppose that if you study the "context of the whole," you can easily see why you should not own slaves -- even though at no place in the whole does it actually say anything of the kind?

In fact, I find it kind of amazing, in "the context of the whole," that God can tell you what kind of foods you should and shouldn't eat, when you should work and when you should not, but can't manage to say, "by they way, don't own other people -- that's wrong!"

I find that notion, frankly, to be laughable! That you can read the Bible, in its entirety, and come to the conclusion that all of it taken together -- right up until its last book Revelation -- is the very essence of love. It's ludicrous! It requires so fundamentally twisted conflation of odds and sods as to be completely unbelievable.

I want everybody here to remember that the Bible does, very early on, subject the whole world to death at God's own hand, and ends, in Revelation (ask any millenialist you happen to know), with a repetition of that theme.

 

[Altfish]

One's understanding is incorrect.
Kindly try to quote a verse/s opposite to it from Quran to prove one's point of view, please.

Regards

Why are there Sunni and Shia Muslims if there are no discrepancies? If everything is clear wouldn't Muslims be united instead of fighting

 

[JJ50]

One day science might be able to disprove the existence of any god.

 

[paarsurrey]

One day science might be able to disprove the existence of any god.

And it is just a wishful thinking neither supported by Religion nor by Science. Right, please?
Is there no people belonging to Science from Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism who could take this job that does not belong to the domain of Science, as I understand.
It will be therefore an exercise in futile. Right, please?

Regards

 

[IndigoChild5559]

G-d endowed the human beings with languages

I'll agree with this so long as it is understood that languages evolved along with humanity. Evolution is God's way of creating.

And of course you are correct. Australopithicus could never have done science for many reasons, including the lack of language.

 

[paarsurrey]

Science without words

One may like to read my post #327 in another thread that is relevant here also.

Regards

 

[Thief]

G-d endowed the human beings with languages* so that we can better our worldly living and also to know Him for our moral and spiritual needs in this world and in the hereafter. Right, please?

in the next life words are ….not used

dead men do not speak.....they do not listen
dead men do not write....nor do they read

God and heaven will be able to 'see'....how you think
you can't hide your feelings

your dreams will be on display

you came into this world naked

you go into the next.....even more so

 

[paarsurrey]

I'll agree with this so long as it is understood that languages evolved along with humanity. Evolution is God's way of creating.

And of course you are correct. Australopithicus could never have done science for many reasons, including the lack of language.

Of course languages evolved along with humanity in millions of years as per the scheme for human life set and designed by G-d under processes that were under work as He commanded with the word "be"* and it got going.

Regards

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*[2:117]وَ قَالُوا اتَّخَذَ اللّٰہُ وَلَدًا ۙ سُبۡحٰنَہٗ ؕ بَلۡ لَّہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ کُلٌّ لَّہٗ قٰنِتُوۡنَ ﴿۱۱۷﴾
And they say, ‘Allah has taken to Himself a son.’ Holy is He! Nay, everything in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him. To Him are all obedient.
[2:118]بَدِیۡعُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ وَ اِذَا قَضٰۤی اَمۡرًا فَاِنَّمَا یَقُوۡلُ لَہٗ کُنۡ فَیَکُوۡنُ ﴿۱۱۸﴾
He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a thing, He does only say to it, ‘Be!’ and it is**.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah
** and it starts taking its shape or start becoming.

 

[paarsurrey]

in the next life words are ….not used

dead men do not speak.....they do not listen
dead men do not write....nor do they read

God and heaven will be able to 'see'....how you think
you can't hide your feelings

your dreams will be on display

you came into this world naked

you go into the next.....even more so

How does one know it?
Quran mentions it:

[7:45]وَ نَادٰۤی اَصۡحٰبُ الۡجَنَّۃِ اَصۡحٰبَ النَّارِ اَنۡ قَدۡ وَجَدۡنَا مَا وَعَدَنَا رَبُّنَا حَقًّا فَہَلۡ وَجَدۡتُّمۡ مَّا وَعَدَ رَبُّکُمۡ حَقًّا ؕ قَالُوۡا نَعَمۡ ۚ فَاَذَّنَ مُؤَذِّنٌۢ بَیۡنَہُمۡ اَنۡ لَّعۡنَۃُ اللّٰہِ عَلَی الظّٰلِمِیۡنَ ﴿ۙ۴۵﴾
And the inmates of Heaven will call out to the inmates of Hell: ‘We have indeed found what our Lord promised us to be true. Have you too found what your Lord promised you to be true?’ They shall say: ‘Yes’. Then a proclaimer shall proclaim between them saying, ‘The curse of Allah is on the wrongdoers —
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 7: Al-A`raf

Regards

 

[Thief]

How does one know it?

communication in this life is by word
I type ….you read
likewise in return

but none of this method follows us into the next life

later.....I will 'see' the thoughts and feelings of others
even as they approach

and as it written...…
all things done in secret shall be made known

so if.....someone of science approaches....and his mind is upon science
I will have direct insight to his thinking

no words needed

 

[paarsurrey]

communication in this life is by word
I type ….you read
likewise in return

but none of this method follows us into the next life

later.....I will 'see' the thoughts and feelings of others
even as they approach

and as it written...…
all things done in secret shall be made known

so if.....someone of science approaches....and his mind is upon science
I will have direct insight to his thinking

no words needed

"so if.....someone of science approaches....and his mind is upon science
I will have direct insight to his thinking

no words needed"

A tall claim!
Regards

 

[Thief]

A tall claim!

I think it is self evident

in spirit.....words are no longer the norm
God and heaven will be able to …..'see' ….your thoughts and feelings
your dreams

likewise in return

you get to see what heaven really is......whatever that may be

and maybe They will let you stay