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Scientists finally prove there IS life after death

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
I agree with science that life started from simpler forms to more advanced ones and it makes sense to me because evidences proved it to be a fact, but i don't agree with some scientists views that it was due to coincidences and chances.
No scientists say that it was ONLY due to coincidences and chances. Please read the articles below and a beginners book on evolution.

"Chance is certainly a factor in evolution, but there are also non-random evolutionary mechanisms. Random mutation is the ultimate source of genetic variation, however natural selection, the process by which some variants survive and others do not, is not random."
http://www.evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/ICchance.shtml

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/why-evolution-isnt-chance/
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
No scientists say that it was ONLY due to coincidences and chances. Please read the articles below and a beginners book on evolution.

"Chance is certainly a factor in evolution, but there are also non-random evolutionary mechanisms. Random mutation is the ultimate source of genetic variation, however natural selection, the process by which some variants survive and others do not, is not random."
http://www.evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/ICchance.shtml

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/why-evolution-isnt-chance/

LOL, no selection actually whatsoever, the one who succeeded will naturally pass,
not because of the selection but because randomness and chances made the organism
good enough to pass, my source " use your mind", not only reading books.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
LOL, no selection actually whatsoever, the one who succeeded will naturally pass
LOL If a hundred organisms had different mutations the ones who happened to get mutations beneficial to survival survived and the others didn't. Hence the term natural selection.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
LOL If a hundred organisms had different mutations the ones who happened to get mutations beneficial to survival survived and the others didn't. Hence the term natural selection.

Exactly, the lucky ones will pass, why they were lucky?, because of the natural selection or because of randomness,
the organism has to be successful first in order to survive and to reproduce, so without randomness and chances the
organism will never evolve.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
Exactly, the lucky ones will pass, why they were lucky?, because of the natural selection or because of randomness,
the organism has to be successful first in order to survive and to reproduce, so without randomness and chances the
organism will never evolve.
That is correct. So the lucky mutated organisms survive and some of those mutated organisms mutate and some of those lucky mutations survive and some of those mutated organisms mutate and some of those lucky mutations survive until we have the organisms we have on the planet today. Some mutations might be advantageous in one type of natural environment but terrible in another environment. The natural environment "selects" who survives. Natural selection.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
ArtieE said:
That is correct. So the lucky mutated organisms survive and some of those mutated organisms mutate and some of those lucky mutations survive and some of those mutated organisms mutate and some of those lucky mutations survive until we have the organisms we have on the planet today. Some mutations might be advantageous in one type of natural environment but terrible in another environment. The natural environment "selects" who survives. Natural selection.
Yes, we are conscious and smart due to the process of luck.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
I answered your query, something is always existing.
To you it can be the universe, to me it's God

The universe is awesomely awesome and certainly doesn't need primitive human beliefs like "God" to maintain it. :p

The awesome universe doesn't need primitive humans either for that matter, we are just a bunch of apes doing our best to ruin a lovely planet.
 
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ArtieE

Well-Known Member
Well, conscious anyway. :p
Have you noticed that evolutionists have a perfectly logical and rational explanation for how conscious and smart organisms evolved while theists have got nothing to explain how and why a conscious and smart god would exist?
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Have you noticed that evolutionists have a perfectly logical and rational explanation for how conscious and smart organisms evolved while theists have got nothing to explain how and why a conscious and smart god would exist?

I agree, it's all nonsense. Clutching at metaphysical straws.

I am off to buy fresh flowers for my Saint Dawkins shrine now. :p
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
:) Sure. We are here due to perfectly natural processes ending up producing some organisms that are conscious and smart.

What do you mean by natural processes?
Do you mean such thing is expected to happen in a natural way due to randomness and chances?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
The universe is awesomely awesome and certainly doesn't need primitive human beliefs like "God" to maintain it. :p

The awesome universe doesn't need primitive humans either for that matter, we are just a bunch of apes doing our best to ruin a lovely planet.

You chose to be an ape whereas God made us a different species than the rest of animals.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Have you noticed that evolutionists have a perfectly logical and rational explanation for how conscious and smart organisms evolved while theists have got nothing to explain how and why a conscious and smart god would exist?

Consciousness is what makes you different from the inanimate physical body, your brain is a physical
structure which is a part of the whole physical body, life makes it to work and consciousness makes
it to think and to realize, such thing doesn't come from the stones of the nature but if you don't know
what you're, then i don't blame you for not knowing what consciousness is, so read the books,
you really can't realize anything without it.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
You chose to be an ape whereas God made us a different species than the rest of animals.

th
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
What do you mean by natural processes?
Do you mean such thing is expected to happen in a natural way due to randomness and chances?
Correct. Evolution and natural selection are natural processes. The DNA of organisms will always undergo random changes and some changes will be beneficial and some detrimental to survival in different natural habitats. And in the end we get all the species we have on Earth.
 
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