Scientists finally prove there IS life after death

[ArtieE]

The 4 nitrogen bases types for the DNA are Adenine, thymine, guanine and cytosine.

The order of these 4 types is what makes the genetic code, how it was made to be flexible and modifiable.

It wasn't "made to be" flexible and modifiable, being flexible and modifiable is just a result of the natural properties of these molecules.

 

[ArtieE]

We were talking about the origin of the universe and you agreed that something should always be existing and you
chose it to be the universe itself

No I didn't. What exists or some of what now exists exists in the form of the universe. I never said that the universe itself has always existed or will always exist.

 

[FearGod]

It wasn't "made to be" flexible and modifiable, being flexible and modifiable is just a result of the natura,l properties of these molecules.

I know it's their properties, so you think it's their properties and that was for no reason, just happened that their properties make the DNA to
be flexible, what if their properties were inflexible and non adjustable, then there will be no evolution, so it's all about luck, science of the lottery.

 

[FearGod]

No I didn't. What exists or some of what now exists exists in the form of the universe. I never said that the universe itself has always existed or will always exist.

But you agreed that something always existed, or you changed your mind.

 

[ArtieE]

I know it's their properties, so you think it's their properties and that was for no reason, just happened that their properties make the DNA to
be flexible, what if their properties were inflexible and non adjustable, then there will be no evolution,

That is correct.

so it's all about luck, science of the lottery.

Given there's an estimated 50 sextillion habitable Earth-like planets in the universe with all kinds of chemical reactions going on you would have to be incredibly brave to announce that NONE OF THEM could possibly be lucky enough to evolve a combination of molecules having the properties we require them to have in order to call them alive.

 

[ArtieE]

But you agreed that something always existed, or you changed your mind.

I said something always existed, not that the universe always existed.

 

[McBell]

So you agree that the universe is always existing but not God, but the fact is that the universe won't last forever
and before 15 billions years ago there was no universe, so it isn't always existing.

Bold empty claims do not impress

 

[FearGod]

Given there's an estimated 50 sextillion habitable Earth-like planets in the universe with all kinds of chemical reactions going on you would have to be incredibly brave to announce that NONE OF THEM could possibly be lucky enough to evolve a combination of molecules having the properties we require them to have in order to call them alive.

If i gave you millions of electronic components and i asked you to assemble some of these
components by randomness to make a TV set,will you?
if i gave billions of these components, will you?

 

[ArtieE]

If i gave you millions of electronic components and i asked you to assemble some of these
components by randomness to make a TV set,will you?
if i gave billions of these components, will you?

ROTFL unlike atoms and molecules electronic components don't have properties making them capable of interacting with each other and stick together to naturally form assemblies of greater and greater complexity FearGod... you may have noticed that TV sets don't form naturally but complex molecular assemblies do.

 

[FearGod]

ROTFL unlike atoms and molecules electronic components don't have properties making them capable of interacting with each other and stick together to naturally form assemblies of greater and greater complexity FearGod... you may have noticed that TV sets don't form naturally but complex molecular assemblies do.

Yes but the human is conscious and smart, so you're better in assembling the electronic components than the inanimate nature with the molecules,
so again, if you have billions of the electronic components that you'll randomly connect, will the TV set works, and repeat the process
millions of times and each time the connection will be done in a random way by you(identical for the nature with the molecules), will the TV set works.

 

[ArtieE]

if you have billions of the electronic components that you'll randomly connect

When two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom randomly connect they don't by chance stick together to form a water molecule FearGod they stick together because of their inherent properties. When molecules randomly meet they don't stick together by chance but because of their inherent properties. Electronic components don't have properties that make them stick to each other if they happen to meet until so many have stuck together that they form a TV set. If you don't understand that difference nobody can help you.

 

[FearGod]

When two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom randomly connect they don't by chance stick together to form a water molecule FearGod they stick together because of their inherent properties. When molecules randomly meet they don't stick together by chance but because of their inherent properties. Electronic components don't have properties that make them stick to each other if they happen to meet until so many have stuck together that they form a TV set. If you don't understand that difference nobody can help you.

You're wrong, hydrogen and oxygen won't just combine to form water, it's much easier to connect the electronic
components than making water from hydrogen and oxygen.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Bold empty claims do not impress

Doesn't stop 'em coming though.

 

[ArtieE]

You're wrong, hydrogen and oxygen won't just combine to form water, it's much easier to connect the electronic
components than making water from hydrogen and oxygen.

Maybe this video illustrates better what I meant.

Notice that it's not just by chance that the atoms and molecules stick together but because of their properties not because somebody glued them together. No god is required to glue together bigger molecules either, all that is required is that they naturally stick to each other when they meet.

 

[FearGod]

Maybe this video illustrates better what I meant.

Notice that it's not just by chance that the atoms and molecules stick together but because of their properties not because somebody glued them together. No god is required to glue together bigger molecules either, all that is required is that they naturally stick to each other when they meet.

LOL, connection isn't that easy, are you fooling yourself or what.

 

[ArtieE]

LOL, connection isn't that easy, are you fooling yourself or what.

LOL the original water wasn't made by people or gods but occurred naturally. The point is that no gods are needed for nature to make water molecules any more than gods are needed to make more complex molecules. They just occur naturally. How big would a molecule have to be for you to claim that it was made by a god instead of nature like water molecules? Try looking at combinations of atoms and molecules until you reach the point where you say they have gotten too complicated so a god would have to take over from nature at that point. Where would that be?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

A team of British researchers have “confirmed” that consciousness can go on when someone dies but the study also uncovered some disturbing aspects of the so-called afterlife.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/weird-news/scientists-finally-prove-life-after-7989503

Do you believe in the afterlife or still in doubt?

This research doesn't prove anything about an "afterlife". Sorry about that.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

A team of British researchers have “confirmed” that consciousness can go on when someone dies but the study also uncovered some disturbing aspects of the so-called afterlife.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/weird-news/scientists-finally-prove-life-after-7989503

Do you believe in the afterlife or still in doubt?

This article hardly confirms 'like after death ' in any conventional sense now does it? If anything this is evidence against it.

If scientists and doctors can restart the body after its dead, then what? The 'soul' gets sucked back in just as it has gotten comfy on a nice cloud?

You can shut down your computer, boot it back up and 'suck' all the lost information back in again, from the ephemeral cloud it resided on, this cloud can also interact with and cater to the individual interests of billions of people around the globe simultaneously.

Many concepts once considered inherently supernatural have been proven in principle by us mere mortals, why assume that the creator of the universe would be somehow restricted from doing the same thing?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

You can shut down your computer, boot it back up and 'suck' all the lost information back in again, from the ephemeral cloud it resided on, this cloud can also interact with and cater to the individual interests of billions of people around the globe simultaneously.

Many concepts once considered inherently supernatural have been proven in principle by us mere mortals, why assume that the creator of the universe would be somehow restricted from doing the same thing?

Yes, imagination is limitless, as seems to be the ability of some to stretch anything thin enough to fit their preconceptions.

 

[FearGod]

LOL the original water wasn't made by people or gods but occurred naturally. The point is that no gods are needed for nature to make water molecules any more than gods are needed to make more complex molecules. They just occur naturally. How big would a molecule have to be for you to claim that it was made by a god instead of nature like water molecules? Try looking at combinations of atoms and molecules until you reach the point where you say they have gotten too complicated so a god would have to take over from nature at that point. Where would that be?

How sure you're that water existed on earth naturally and not by God's plan?
Do you have an evidence for that? and how water actually formed on earth by the chemical reaction
between Hydrogen and Oxygen?