Scientists finally prove there IS life after death

[JoStories]

I don't know if the source is right or wrong, anything expected, liars are everywhere, so i can't confirm if
it's a fact or a hoax, but I tend to think of it as a hoax as well.

But there are multiple similar news including some people's experiences regardless of their beliefs,
we may think it was kind of delusion and hallucination but the people who experienced it think otherwise
and it has nothing to do with their beliefs.

Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon

A prominent scientist who had previously dismissed the possibility of the afterlife says he has reconsidered his belief after experiencing an out of body experience which has convinced him that heaven exists.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor.../Afterlife-exists-says-top-brain-surgeon.html

There is a great deal of controversy regarding this topic however, no conclusive, as in scientific study that has been replicated, no conclusive evidence of this. Anecdotal stories are not evidence. I agree that there are a large amount of commonalties with this topic, with regard to the stories and how they have similarities however, again, that is not true scientific evidence.

 

[JoStories]

And what kind of function, illusions and hallucinations? does it has other functions during the cardiac arrest?

What happens is that the nerves continue to send signals but they are either going to the wrong place or they have not got the O2 and other neurotransmitters required to do their job correctly. The images one might see are postulated to be signals from the occipital lobe where sight is sent and then signals are sent to the frontal cortex. as the O2 and other chemicals are depleted, the work stops.

 

[JoStories]

I'll say again, for emphasis, that this does not take away from the grandeur of the personal experience. It does not diminish the beauty of the sunset to know how it's visualized and processed. It does, however, imply that without sensory input and a way to process it that the sunset is pointless, if it exists at all.

I disagree to a point. Think of Helen Keller who found beauty in life with no sight and no hearing. She had limited sensory input but was able to extrapolate what she did have to provide her with her views of the world, which would include a sunset.

 

[JoStories]

So, tell me how they know that. This is the scientific attitude. Asking questions and expecting sensible answers. Not swallowing everything you read.

Ciao

- viole

I agree that one must question and do so scientifically without bias. However, that being said, scientists must also think outside the box and at times, that includes using one's imagination. We would never have antibiotics or X-rays if we simply didn't think in that fashion. Do you think others thought that Madame Curie was not crazy until she proved her theories.

 

[ArtieE]

Those who observed the NDE, the stories are nearly the same, if delusion then everyone should
have something different, not swimming. not loving, not running, not eating ...etc

Just read some Hindu NDEs and you'll soon learn there are many differences.

 

[viole]

I agree that one must question and do so scientifically without bias. However, that being said, scientists must also think outside the box and at times, that includes using one's imagination. We would never have antibiotics or X-rays if we simply didn't think in that fashion. Do you think others thought that Madame Curie was not crazy until she proved her theories.

I associate "thinking outside the box" with "not swallowing everything we read". So, I have no problems with thinking outside the box. Einstein was the perfect example of someone thinking outside the box. In a major way.

However, there are limits. Science has rules, and those rules exclude, in the most categorical terms, the presence of non naturalistic explanations. This rule is so important that it is the equivalent of a rule in the game of chess.

Does that rule suffice to find all truths that are in our range of inquiry? This is debatable. I think they do, because I go beyond methodological naturalism. I am a metaphysical naturalist. But that's me.

But for sure, nobody can accuse scientists for not accepting a spiritual or supernatural reality in their work. It would be like accusing a chess player for not using the rules of poker, Monopoly, or any other game, while she is playing chess.

Ciao

- viole

 

[jonathan180iq]

I disagree to a point. Think of Helen Keller who found beauty in life with no sight and no hearing. She had limited sensory input but was able to extrapolate what she did have to provide her with her views of the world, which would include a sunset.

Certainly. There are a whole slew of factors that went into the development of who she became as a person, but they all hinge on the senses that she had, the value of the characters who surrounded her, and the environment that she was raised on, wouldn't you agree?

 

[FearGod]

What do you mean?

You said you found out that your mind was playing tricks on you.
How you were playing tricks on you., and how you were able to know that your mind were fooling you.
Did you know who are you?

 

[FearGod]

In what ways are the stories, "nearly the same?" Are you accounting for stories from non-Christians as well?

My grandfather died on the operating table and had to be revived. He said he saw absolutely nothing. How does that fit in with the stories you've heard?

And I observed the NDE, should I believe myself or believe your grandfather while many people observed the same as I did?

 

[FearGod]

There is a great deal of controversy regarding this topic however, no conclusive, as in scientific study that has been replicated, no conclusive evidence of this. Anecdotal stories are not evidence. I agree that there are a large amount of commonalties with this topic, with regard to the stories and how they have similarities however, again, that is not true scientific evidence.

Yes true, one day we didn't know that the bacteria does exist till we have the microscope.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And I observed the NDE, should I believe myself or believe your grandfather while many people observed the same as I did?

I'm asking you what these similarities are that you say occur across all experiences of NDEs. I think the claim is that there may be some truth to them, given the supposed fact that these similarities exist across experiences.

I'm calling that into question given that, clearly the experience my grandfather had was not similar to those you mention (although you haven't really given any examples of these similarities yet). Is his experience of nothing less valid than other experiences?

 

[FearGod]

Just read some Hindu NDEs and you'll soon learn there are many differences.

I don't believe those who speaks about religion in regards to such experiences because it has nothing to
do with religion, so again it's either these Hindus were lairs or affected by the devil force.

If some said i met Jesus or Muhammed or God or the monkey God....etc then they're not telling the truth,
the NDE isn't a religious phenomenon.

 

[FearGod]

I'm asking you what these similarities are that you say occur across all experiences of NDEs. I think the claim is that there may be some truth to them, given the supposed fact that these similarities exist across experiences.

I'm calling that into question given that, clearly the experience my grandfather had was not similar to those you mention (although you haven't really given any examples of these similarities yet). Is his experience of nothing less valid than other experiences?

Your grandfather simply didn't reach the point where he can observe the NDE, it's the point between life and death.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your grandfather simply didn't reach the point where he can observe the NDE, it's the point between life and death.

So you claim. Of course, there's no way to verify any of it. Maybe his was a real NDE experience and yours was just your brain misfiring. Who knows.

Are you planning on giving some examples of the similarities across experiences that you were talking about?

 

[FearGod]

So you claim. Of course, there's no way to verify any of it. Maybe his was a real NDE experience and yours was just your brain misfiring. Who knows.

Are you planning on giving some examples of the similarities across experiences that you were talking about?

No, i know it isn't by the brain, maybe you have to try it to know how it feels.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, i know it isn't by the brain, maybe you have to try it to know how it feels.

What studies did you carry out to determine that your brain was not involved? How can we determine that what you are saying actually happened or that your NDE is more valid than someone else's in which they saw nothing.

I think you're still missing my point. Let me think of some other way to make it.

In the meantime, I'll wait for your examples of the similarities that you say exist across these NDE experiences you speak of.

 

[FearGod]

What studies did you carry out to determine that your brain was not involved? How can we determine that what you are saying actually happened or that your NDE is more valid than someone else's in which they saw nothing.

I think you're still missing my point. Let me think of some other way to make it.

In the meantime, I'll wait for your examples of the similarities that you say exist across these NDE experiences you speak of.

That will be useless, you don't believe it and that's it.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I do wish you would stop expressing religious beliefs as statements of fact.

statements of faith

 

[Rick O'Shez]

statements of faith

Still unsubstantiated religious beliefs, metaphysical straws to be clutched at.

 

[JoStories]

Why not to believe the experts and they're even have no religious agenda.
After Life Exists Says Top Brain Surgeon

Because, once again, this is an anecdotal story of one man and does not meet scientific methods. In no way do I mean to disrespect your beliefs but merely to point out that they don't qualify as scientific.