Scientists finally prove there IS life after death

[Tumah]

My wife says I'm brain dead but yet I'm still posting here, so I must be a medical miracle.

I think you haven't realized how she knows...

 

[Windwalker]

This is a scientific study, life after death is a reality, truth has been revealed regardless of our beliefs.

Does this mean you're ready to accept Evolution is true now? Or is your citing science as validating truth merely selective?

 

[Parsimony]

This was all the way back from May? Doesn't seem like it made the headlines it should have if it was indeed a conclusive study. The problem here is, like other people said, you can't completely kill the brain of a person and then bring them back to life later to ask them if they had an afterlife experience. Some part of the brain must have remained alive in order for these patients to be revived.

I don't know if this means much, but I have a friend who has congenital heart defect since she was a infant. She has had many surgeries since. She suffered a stroke and is legally blind.

During one of her heart surgeries, though she was knocked out, she told doctors what she saw during our "out." She said there was a pain in her chest and found out that one of the nurses left a swab (you know, the ones we use to take off nail polish with), in her chest. The technical instrument for observing fluid during surgery.

She was right. It was there.

Her brain was alive, but she had I think a triple-bi. If she were proof that there was life after death, the only thing she'd be proving is that our brains can still pick up sensations and connections even when the heart has been stopped. Highly assuming that when the heart stops, it doesn't automatically trigger every other part of the brain all at one time. You know how your computer shuts off? Well, mine, it takes a bit. The CPU shuts off, then the screen, then the lights. Then the air under the lap top, and then it's out. If I'm inpatient, it can seem minutes before everything turns off even though the hard drive has already clonked out.

Interesting story. Did she actually manage to see or hear anything or was it all feeling?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This was all the way back from May? Doesn't seem like it made the headlines it should have if it was indeed a conclusive study. The problem here is, like other people said, you can't completely kill the brain of a person and then bring them back to life later to ask them if they had an afterlife experience. Some part of the brain must have remained alive in order for these patients to be revived.

Interesting story. Did she actually manage to see or hear anything or was it all feeling?

Actually, according to her, she heard the doctors. She was trying to speak to tell the doctor that something was wrong. I know in my surgery, they knocked me out cold. However, mine was brain surgery. I think with hers, they needed to keep her somewhat awake. She could have mistaken it for outer body experience. The feeling was mostly pain in the chest but it wasn't a feeling like sensation. She said it was actual pain.

I know if that was the case, my family would have brought up a lawsuit on that. She was in a military hospital; so, I don't know how that would have played out.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

This doesn't pass the smell test. If there were any legitimate scientific findings to this effect, much less if it was PROVEN, the answer to the quesiton of the ages would be in headlines around the world, not all alone in the likes of the Irish Mirror.

 

[columbus]

Let's see if I understand.
A very religious person made a remarkable and sweeping claim. The actual facts don't come close to claim. The evidence is indistinguishable from hallucinations.
Why doesn't that surprise me any more?
Tom

 

[Shad]

Berlin | A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after death. This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back to life.
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/

You are citing a tabloid. Research your source before you post it. It helps by clicking the about link on the website. The website is telling you exactly what it is for pete's sake.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/disclaimer/

"WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle."

 

[FearGod]

Except no study is given. There's no actual publication release. Just a headline. On a satire site, no less. http://realorsatire.com/worldnewsdailyreport-com/

We can't trust any news and any scientists if we'll be always in doubt.

Scientists say we searched and we found out that there are similarities between humans and the chimps
and hence they concluded that both have been evolved from a common ancestor which isn't known or
even not found in reality, so why we have to believe them, it's all hoax.

 

[FearGod]

Thanks you for setting the record straight about the article. I had my suspicions when I saw a website stating the one linked was a satire/tabloid style site.

I don't know if the source is right or wrong, anything expected, liars are everywhere, so i can't confirm if
it's a fact or a hoax, but I tend to think of it as a hoax as well.

But there are multiple similar news including some people's experiences regardless of their beliefs,
we may think it was kind of delusion and hallucination but the people who experienced it think otherwise
and it has nothing to do with their beliefs.

Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon

A prominent scientist who had previously dismissed the possibility of the afterlife says he has reconsidered his belief after experiencing an out of body experience which has convinced him that heaven exists.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor.../Afterlife-exists-says-top-brain-surgeon.html

 

[ADigitalArtist]

We can't trust any news and any scientists if we'll be always in doubt.

Scientists say we searched and we found out that there are similarities between humans and the chimps
and hence they concluded that both have been evolved from a common ancestor which isn't known or
even not found in reality, so why we have to believe them, it's all hoax.

You won't agree but comparing the news of a tabloid site and an opinion piece is not the same as actual peer reviewed studies which have to actually conform to rigor and have their methodology scrutinized.

 

[Shad]

I don't know if the source is right or wrong, anything expected, liars are everywhere, so i can't confirm if
it's a fact or a hoax, but I tend to think of it as a hoax as well.

But there are multiple similar news including some people's experiences regardless of their beliefs,
we may think it was kind of delusion and hallucination but the people who experienced it think otherwise
and it has nothing to do with their beliefs.

Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon

A prominent scientist who had previously dismissed the possibility of the afterlife says he has reconsidered his belief after experiencing an out of body experience which has convinced him that heaven exists.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor.../Afterlife-exists-says-top-brain-surgeon.html

A self-diagnosis of an event in which he couldn't observe anything external to his mind. Hilarious. You should also check out the man's record. It does not speak well regarding his credibility.

Since newspapers are consider an authority by you read this which establishes Alexanders claims are fictional.

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/interviews/a23248/the-prophet/

 

[psychoslice]

Where do people get this silly idea that science has proven there is an afterlife, when its all ridiculous lies ?.

 

[illykitty]

You won't agree but comparing the news of a tabloid site and an opinion piece is not the same as actual peer reviewed studies which have to actually conform to rigor and have their methodology scrutinized.

I'm not sure he understands. Maybe there should be a thread here explaining the way science works (how science works 101?) because I feel some don't seem to know. We're going in endless circles if something basic like this isn't understood by everyone.

@FearGod What they're saying is that the article has no link to a scientific study. For example, if there was a scientific study, usually there's either references like this:

Reference
Burciu et al. Functional MRI of Disease Progression in Parkinson’s Disease and Atypical Parkinsonian Syndromes. Neurology. July 15, 2016. DOI: 10.1212/WNL.0000000000002985.

See, there's the name of the researchers, the name of the study, the scientific field, the date and the digital object identifier, meaning the number corresponding to the study. If you copy the DOI number, you'll find the published study online. This is done so that someone may find the study themselves and verify or read into more details what it was about.

Or there's a direct link, which I was able to find because of the DOI. A lot of online news have links instead of references.

If you say something in an article about scientific findings without any link to a published study, it doesn't make it look credible.

Now let's take a mainstream news site, the BBC. Here's a new scientific article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36782326
In it, you'll find that there's some bold underlined words, the first is a link to the study which is here: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2016/08/10/1601895113

This is how one publishes a credible news article about a scientific finding.

 

[FearGod]

I'm not sure he understands. Maybe there should be a thread here explaining the way science works (how science works 101?) because I feel some don't seem to know. We're going in endless circles if something basic like this isn't understood by everyone.

@FearGod What they're saying is that the article has no link to a scientific study. For example, if there was a scientific study, usually there's either references like this:

Reference
Burciu et al. Functional MRI of Disease Progression in Parkinson’s Disease and Atypical Parkinsonian Syndromes. Neurology. July 15, 2016. DOI: 10.1212/WNL.0000000000002985.

See, there's the name of the researchers, the name of the study, the scientific field, the date and the digital object identifier, meaning the number corresponding to the study. If you copy the DOI number, you'll find the published study online. This is done so that someone may find the study themselves and verify or read into more details what it was about.

Or there's a direct link, which I was able to find because of the DOI. A lot of online news have links instead of references.

If you say something in an article about scientific findings without any link to a published study, it doesn't make it look credible.

Now let's take a mainstream news site, the BBC. Here's a new scientific article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36782326
In it, you'll find that there's some bold underlined words, the first is a link to the study which is here: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2016/08/10/1601895113

This is how one publishes a credible news article about a scientific finding.

I said in my post #49 "but I tend to think of it as a hoax as well"

That being said, that doesn't mean there's no real studies about NDE, note that most of those who experienced
it have similar feelings, delusions and hallucination shouldn't be the same for everyone which isn't the case with
them, so our guessing don't work especially that i faced it myself for maybe milliseconds and when i read their
feelings it was very close to mine.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A team of British researchers have “confirmed” that consciousness can go on when someone dies but the study also uncovered some disturbing aspects of the so-called afterlife.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/weird-news/scientists-finally-prove-life-after-7989503

Do you believe in the afterlife or still in doubt?

Did you actually read the article? It doesn't say what it seems you're assuming it does.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I didn't think the article was very good at all. Very unclear as to what it was trying to tell us.

It's trying to tell us that the brain continues to function after the heart as stopped, and that even though we typically define the point of death as when the heart stops, in reality death is a process over a span of time, not one discrete point.

 

[FearGod]

It's trying to tell us that the brain continues to function after the heart as stopped, and that even though we typically define the point of death as when the heart stops, in reality death is a process over a span of time, not one discrete point.

And what kind of function, illusions and hallucinations? does it has other functions during the cardiac arrest?

 

[Windwalker]

Scientists say we searched and we found out that there are similarities between humans and the chimps and hence they concluded that both have been evolved from a common ancestor

You really do not understand the science of this, do you?

which isn't known or even not found in reality, so why we have to believe them, it's all hoax.

They have the evidence, that's why. It's not a hoax.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I'm not going to subscribe to a website, answer survey questions, or enable cookies in order to read an article... So I have no idea what this link contains. The fact that there were barriers to reading it tells me everything I need to know about the quality of the story.

That being said, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that this article is somehow closely aligned with the other "scientific" evidence for an afterlife through the study of things like Near Death Experiences, or NDEs...

None of these studies do anything to address the fact that we know brain function can outlast other organ failure, at least for a short time. The "mind" will persist as long as brain function can be maintained. If anything, these attempts to prove otherwise are actually only helping support their antithetical conclusion. It's the same reason that decapitated heads can blink, chew, and look around for a few seconds after being removed from the body. There are stories of decapitated heads looking for friends of loved-ones in a crowd immediately after being severed, only to then fade away to nothing as the brain finally succumb to oxygen starvation. Do these few extra seconds of activity prove life after death, or that the brain and mind are two separate things? I don't think so.

If the brain and mind are really two separate things, show me a functioning mind without a brain. Sever the brain's connection to the body and let me know what thoughts are produced. Explain to me where else the mind comes from, without invoking magic or wild imaginary scenarios. Have something, anything, produced without a brain attached in any way whatsoever.

Also, on the topic of NDEs, we already know what causes them and why the experiences seem so similar.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...s-place-cells-trigger-person-s-built-GPS.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/peace-of-mind-near-death/

http://www.livescience.com/50683-out-of-body-illusion.html

http://www.livescience.com/41128-out-of-body-experiences-explained.html

http://www.themarysue.com/out-of-body-explained/

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers/extreme-gravity.html

 

[FearGod]

You really do not understand the science of this, do you?

That we're made of the same stuff, humans and chimps, so we're related and
the common ancestor went extinct, even though the common ancestor not
found yet, they said the common ancestor was here 25 millions years ago
and then they said 5 millions years

They have the evidence, that's why. It's not a hoax.

The evidence of the common ancestor, where is he and she?