Because they recall (and as later verified by witnesses) events that occured DURING the time they had no higher brain functioning.
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Scientists finally prove there IS life after death
- Thread starter FearGod
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So, they had a spiritual watch that was synchronized with the clocks in the hospital, where the so called witnesses were probably located?
By the way, how can you recall anything if your brain stops working?It is amazing what people would buy, without a minimum of scrutiny, if it confirms their wish of eternal life.
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- viole
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
My experience was long time ago. maybe before 20 years, i didn't even know about the NDE
at that time but i was surprised and i thought it was hallucinations, later on i found out that such
cases happened to other people and what they saw is close to mine.
That does not answer my question. How do all these people know that those experiences took place during their flatline?
What do you think? How would you validate that?
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- viole
Wow, these are serious scientists reporting this stuff. Your unscientific attitude I must let you know is 'telling'.So, they had a spiritual watch that was synchronized with the clocks in the hospital, where the so called witnesses where probably located?
It is amazing what people would buy, without a minimum of scrutiny, if it confirms their wish of eternal life.
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- viole
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Because the people around them know that, actually the ones who observed them are the ones
not knowing the answer, the patient told them things while supposed the patient was clinically
dead, it's amazing but it's happening.
Do you believe about telepathy? how information can travel without a carrier.
It's hard to believe but it's also observed and researched.
So, tell me how they know that. This is the scientific attitude. Asking questions and expecting sensible answers. Not swallowing everything you read.
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- viole
jonathan180iq
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True - ample time for a functioning brain to produce any manner of hallucinations in order to deal with the trauma.
But how do they know that what the patient told them, took place during his "death"? That is a very simple question. If I tell you I saw God during a momentarily cerebral death, how do you and I know that it took place exactly at that time? And not while the brain was dying or soon after it came back? Did we share a synchronized watch that I took with me in the hereafter? Was I tellng you about God while I was dead?
Course not.
Were the same scientists that proved life after death involved in that research?
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- viole
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Who is the 'they?? Do you mean the patients or the researchers?
Patients: The leading theory for me is that we have interpenetrating bodies. A separation occurs at the time of death-like trauma. They are at first in the earth-world environment observing events from outside the body.
Researchers: By interviewing patients and witnesses and doing their best to ascertain the facts. They consider all normal explanations also. A body of consistent cases is then presented showing a phenomena not reasonably explainable through only normal means.
Your theory might be right, whatever that entails, but it needs facts. Objective and independent facts. Explaining something that has no other objective evidence other than your explanation will not take you anywhere. So, what evidence can you propose that validates your theory? I mean, again, how do they know all this took place during their flatline?
By interviewing patients? Lol. How do the patients know? And how do the witnesses know? Again, did they share a synchronized watch?
This is an extraordinary claim, so it is reasonable to expect extraordinary evidence. But in this case, we have no evidence whatsoever. Not even ordinary one. Why not? Because you, like anyone else, are totally unable to answer the simplest question that comes to mind when those stories are reported.
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- viole
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This is beyond current science's reach to test at this time. All some scientists can do at this time is show that things occur not reasonably explained by current paradigms. A scientist should like a mystery and be open-minded. I am fine with science at this time being agnostic on the question of life after death.
Secondly, my interest in all this is also religious/philosophical that considers things in the human experience. In that realm I consider (neither blindly accept nor blindly dismiss) everything. I then conclude what I find most reasonable to believe. This includes many things beyond this verifiable NDE discussion that have dovetailed to form my belief system.
You may take the position that you accept only things science has proved but I personally see sufficient evidence to believe that science understands very little about this thing called 'life' and that human consciousness can experience beyond the senses and physical instruments of current science. Just my opinion and everyone is free to theirs.
Of course we should keep an open mind. I am open minded. I am even ready to believe superman if you show it to me.
But in this particular case there is no viable answer to my simple question. The only "evidence" is reports given by people who could not possibly tell you when something really happened and It has all characteristics of proof by positive bias or wishful thinking. So, claiming a scientific proof that there is life after death because of those reports is, frankly, ridicolous. Even if there is indeed life after death.
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- viole
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Do you think it's lies?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/long-fuse-big-bang/201503/mental-telepathy-is-real
roger1440
I do stuff
It just a thought. Maybe we should revise our definition of "pronounced dead".
"The work carried out by the University of Southampton has revealed that people still experience awareness for up to three minutes after they had been pronounced dead."
If you believe death's the end a new scientific study might make you think again
I have a better story. In many cases when a person is missing for years the court can declare someone "legally dead". Even if the dead guy goes to court to prove he is alive, there is no law to undead the guy. Long story short, the dead alive guy is screwed.
Declared Legally Dead, as He Sat Before the Judge
By John Schwartz
Donald E. Miller Jr., declared dead in 1994 after he drifted away owing child support, was told that Ohio law di...
"The work carried out by the University of Southampton has revealed that people still experience awareness for up to three minutes after they had been pronounced dead."
If you believe death's the end a new scientific study might make you think again
I have a better story. In many cases when a person is missing for years the court can declare someone "legally dead". Even if the dead guy goes to court to prove he is alive, there is no law to undead the guy. Long story short, the dead alive guy is screwed.
Declared Legally Dead, as He Sat Before the Judge
By John Schwartz
Donald E. Miller Jr., declared dead in 1994 after he drifted away owing child support, was told that Ohio law di...
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
It's happening every now and then, but the explanations is guessing.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/09/health/belgium-near-death-experiences/
Lol. That is not telepathy. It Is converting brain electrical signals into emails and sending it to someone else remotely via internet ( a communication medium). Not much different from emailing a brain scan to me so that I know what parts of your brain are excited.
Very materialistic indeed.
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- viole
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The thought is materialistic?