Scientists finally prove there IS life after death

[viole]

The thought is materialistic?

The experiment is. Did you read the article? Kill the internet and your "telepathy" will vanish.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

It's happening every now and then, but the explanations is guessing.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/09/health/belgium-near-death-experiences/

The explanation will be no explanation until you show to me that those experiences happened exactly during cerebral death .

But think about it for a moment. Even if those experiences took place during brain death, how could the patients remember it, if their memory forming mechanism was dead? You can invoke a memory carrying soul or some other alternative spiritual mean of having memory: but that comes with the price tag of declaring the "design" of our complex brain memory functions to be completely useless or redundant.

Remove your spiritual bias, for a moment, and everything will be clear.

Ciao

- viole

 

[FearGod]

The explanation will be no explanation until you show to me that those experiences happened exactly during cerebral death .

But think about it for a moment. Even if those experiences took place during brain death, how could the patients remember it, if their memory forming mechanism was dead? You can invoke a memory carrying soul or some other spiritual mean of having memory: but that comes with the price tag of declaring the "design" of our complex brain memory functions to be completely useless or redundant.

Remove your spiritual bias, for a moment, and everything will be clear.

Ciao

- viole

I asked myself the same question, how memory worked while the brain not functioning,i believe the consciousness
itself has it's own memory which our brain can read, it's only hard for us to believe it because we can't see or trace
it but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and even the ones who observed the NDE believe that its memory isn't
similar to other memories, it's unforgettable.

Sometimes you forget something that your brain can't recall, but you can recall it again even though it was lost
from memory and how you can decide if what you remember again is correct while it was lost from your memory,
Life is a mystery and we don't know everything yet.

 

[FearGod]

The experiment is. Did you read the article? Kill the internet and your "telepathy" will vanish.

Ciao

- viole

Quoted from the source

The subjects in India were trained to generate an EEG signal representing either a one or a zero using a biofeedback monitor. A one was generated when subjects imagined moving a hand, while a zero was produced when subjects imagined moving a foot. These ones and zeros were then emailed from India to France, and routed to one of two TMS devices mounted on subjects’ scalps. Ones were routed to a TMS electrode that caused a phosphene to be perceived , while Zeros were routed to a different TMS device whose activity produced no phosphenes.

This figure illustrates how the mind to mind communication path worked.
Source: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105225

 

[George-ananda]

But in this particular case there is no viable answer to my simple question. The only "evidence" is reports given by people who could not possibly tell you when something really happened and It has all characteristics of proof by positive bias or wishful thinking.

Now, is my point registering with you that these patients are describing events and quirky little things that happened DURING the time they were showing no higher brain functioning? An example might be knowing a nurse changed a mask or glove or something like that during the time that they were flat-lined..

So, claiming a scientific proof that there is life after death because of those reports is, frankly, ridicolous. Even if there is indeed life after death.

I hope you are not confusing the points I and serious scientists are making with some flamboyant tabloid headlines out there?? We are not claiming 'proof' of life after death by western science's definition of 'proof'.

 

[Parsimony]

Actually, according to her, she heard the doctors. She was trying to speak to tell the doctor that something was wrong. I know in my surgery, they knocked me out cold. However, mine was brain surgery. I think with hers, they needed to keep her somewhat awake. She could have mistaken it for outer body experience. The feeling was mostly pain in the chest but it wasn't a feeling like sensation. She said it was actual pain.

I know if that was the case, my family would have brought up a lawsuit on that. She was in a military hospital; so, I don't know how that would have played out.

I see. Something similar happened to someone that my sister-in-law knew. She was paralyzed but could still feel pain. Awful situation.

 

[George-ananda]

But think about it for a moment. Even if those experiences took place during brain death, how could the patients remember it, if their memory forming mechanism was dead?

To butt in, many serious post-materialist scientists now believe memory storage is non-local and that the brain memory area is really the mechanism to retrieve our own personal specific memories while physically conscious. So when recalling an NDE a person may be experiencing memory directly (through their subtle body) and why they commonly claim that the memories of their NDE are different and more real and vivid than normal memory (one slower denser step removed?).

There are working theories for all this is what I am saying.

 

[Jumi]

The subjects in India were trained to generate an EEG signal representing either a one or a zero using a biofeedback monitor. A one was generated when subjects imagined moving a hand, while a zero was produced when subjects imagined moving a foot. These ones and zeros were then emailed from India to France, and routed to one of two TMS devices mounted on subjects’ scalps. Ones were routed to a TMS electrode that caused a phosphene to be perceived , while Zeros were routed to a different TMS device whose activity produced no phosphenes.

Here, the machine interprets EEG from the brain. When moving the hand or imagine moving the hand, certain areas of brain are stimulated. It's up to the computer to interpret the ones and the zeros from electrical activity in the brain. This is still completely in realm of material science.

Here is an example of things we can do with brainwaves even as hobby:

I had an even cooler example in mind of people toycars with their brainwaves, but couldn't find the video.

 

[jonathan180iq]

To butt in, many serious post-materialist scientists now believe memory storage is non-local and that the brain memory area is really the mechanism to retrieve our own personal specific memories while physically conscious. So when recalling an NDE a person may be experiencing memory directly (through their subtle body) and why they commonly claim that the memories of their NDE are different and more real and vivid than normal memory (one slower denser step removed?).

There are working theories for all this is what I am saying.

Maybe the Greeks had it right, and we are just little chess pieces on the giant board that the gods play before they go to bed at night?

 

[jonathan180iq]

Here, the machine interprets EEG from the brain. When moving the hand or imagine moving the hand, certain areas of brain are stimulated. It's up to the computer to interpret the ones and the zeros from electrical activity in the brain. This is still completely in realm of material science.

Here is an example of things we can do with brainwaves even as hobby:

I had an even cooler example in mind of people toycars with their brainwaves, but couldn't find the video.

My brother and I played this EEG-based game once where a ball is rolled from one side of the table to the other using brain activity. It was wild. You can literally concentrate your way to victory.

 

[ukok102nak]

... . for once
we expressed doubts concerning the veracity of the story
regarding how those scientist struggle and what they went through while experimenting there
and when someone
telling about their life story we trust that someone for everyone has their own story
to tell about their life and if someone telling something about its life
but faking it meaning
not even being honest to itself
then that someone is
only fooling itself and not everyone

and we firmly stand our ground unto this belief and
that's not being a bias as far as we know
whether physically nor spiritually
as they say

nevertheless we still believed in GOD and unto the gods along with all that is holy
and everthing that is good
and who cannot lie as there is a saying from a tribe that
The evidence does not lie
and also
probably most of those scientist
out there who conducted that experiment base unto their studies and experience
with good faith unto science

we also believed in science and unto the things that they called supernatural
and perhaps
some scientist also believe in this
cause from the way it looks
they really want to find out the very secret of eternal life from everlasting unto everlasting
which even a machine couldnt be counted to be immortal for it cannot stand the very fabric of time and space

but
the most interesting part
about this is
that figure which is near unto the one who is lying in bed
for it looks like one of our brethren
in his early time . ... believe it or not
this brethren of our's is just like
a innocent child who is never been unto any foreign countries before
aside from his native land in asia
we swear unto all that our testimonies are purely true and without malice unto the very meaning of the word good intent
and cannot lie until death and
hope every matter within this reality collapses if a single reasons could falsify our oath unto all as it is written within
our heart and soul
that we stand as a living witnesses
so that we may truthfully say unto all that
the very figure of that thing is the very image of our brethren and that is
beyond any reasonable doubt for life
meaning until death take us all
we will never take back our words that
it is the very same image of our brethren
what a coinsidence it is or just
a remarkable concurrence of event

but
still we are not all knowing and we humbly accepted it as a fact


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godbless
unto all always

 

[George-ananda]

My brother and I played this EEG-based game once where a ball is rolled from one side of the table to the other using brain activity. It was wild. You can literally concentrate your way to victory.

Were there wires connected to your head involved?

 

[McBell]

I didn't think the article was very good at all. Very unclear as to what it was trying to tell us. My only interesting take from the article is that there seems to have been a confirmed case of somebody knowing verifiable details around their body during the experience (I would assume details that could not have been learned through the normal channels but the article was so poorly written). I question how much the author understands about the subject. My son is an on-line free-lance journalist and writes about restaurants he's never been to and stuff like that.

I believe with certainty from the cumulative paranormal evidence across multiple fields (but not from this article).

Seems to me that if you are not impressed by the article and you already believe what the article is claiming, then I have no alternative than to bow to your more qualified expertise on the matter.

Edited to add:
No, I am not being sarcastic or anything of the such.

I am merely recognizing the fact that if the article is not able to convince you, a believer in what the article is claiming, then it will in no way convince me.

 

[viole]

Quoted from the source

The subjects in India were trained to generate an EEG signal representing either a one or a zero using a biofeedback monitor. A one was generated when subjects imagined moving a hand, while a zero was produced when subjects imagined moving a foot. These ones and zeros were then emailed from India to France, and routed to one of two TMS devices mounted on subjects’ scalps. Ones were routed to a TMS electrode that caused a phosphene to be perceived , while Zeros were routed to a different TMS device whose activity produced no phosphenes.

This figure illustrates how the mind to mind communication path worked.
Source: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105225

Yes, with email. As you posted. Great proof of medium free communication.

Ciao

- viole

 

[ukok102nak]

that seems fair and natural


:ty:



godbless
unto all always

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> as we also heard and seen a person before saying
"me no believer of any gods but
im not a liar"


:ty:



godbless
unto all always

 

[FearGod]

Here, the machine interprets EEG from the brain. When moving the hand or imagine moving the hand, certain areas of brain are stimulated. It's up to the computer to interpret the ones and the zeros from electrical activity in the brain. This is still completely in realm of material science.

Here is an example of things we can do with brainwaves even as hobby:

I had an even cooler example in mind of people toycars with their brainwaves, but couldn't find the video.

Yes i know it, i actually believe our consciousness deals with the brain waves the same as moving a small car or a plane,
for example if you think to move your hand then the order is made by your consciousness which motivates the brain
which in turn send the signal to the muscle that moves your hand, we're close to robots but with free will.

 

[arthra]

If you were to believe the interviews and stories of thousands of stoners on a bad trip, time dilation is a real thing, not just a completely physical, commonplace distortion of senses. In fact I'd go as far to say that people in critical conditions especially oxygen deprivation are the least reliable testimony to their surroundings that there is.

Thanks for your post Digital...

The people I interviewed in hospital I assure you were quite coherent and had no previous studies in metaphysical or interest in paranormal phenomenau which I think added to their credibility.

- Art

 

[Windwalker]

If we'll go further then we'll be the bacteria, and bacteria still existing.

But let's stop at our 23rd Grandmother. Does she still exist?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Thanks for your post Digital...

The people I interviewed in hospital I assure you were quite coherent and had no previous studies in metaphysical or interest in paranormal phenomenau which I think added to their credibility.

- Art

You can be coherent and still have your senses altered to such an extent that what you think you're seeing and hearing isn't reliable. Lots of people with no spiritual or religious interest then 'discovered' it at the hands of intoxicating substances or when there is sensory malfunction going on due to a crisis. I can't assure you all cases were like that, but it's why I take all cases with a boulder sized grain of salt. Their testimony is simply not reliable.