Scientists say...

[YoursTrue]

There was a start to the universe. Kind of, more or less. Like it blasted from a teeny, tiny substance. Moses knew the universe had a beginning. How did he know that? No telescopes, no space travel...so how do you think Moses knew that there was a beginning to the existence of the universe including the earth?

 

[Twilight Hue]

There was a start to the universe. Kind of, more or less. Like it blasted from a teeny, tiny substance. Moses knew the universe had a beginning. How did he know that? No telescopes, no space travel...so how do you think Moses knew that there was a beginning to the existence of the universe including the earth?

We don't know. That's the fact of the matter.

 

[YoursTrue]

We don't know. That's the fact of the matter.

We don't know what? Whether there was a start to the universe??

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

There was a start to the universe. Kind of, more or less. Like it blasted from a teeny, tiny substance. Moses knew the universe had a beginning. How did he know that? No telescopes, no space travel...so how do you think Moses knew that there was a beginning to the existence of the universe including the earth?

He flipped a coin. Without knowledge, logic says that their either was a beginning, or there wasn't (and everything has always existed). So he guessed. Turns out later (thousands of years later) that he was "right," that there was a beginning.

 

[Twilight Hue]

We don't know what? Whether there was a start to the universe??

There was a start to the universe that is supported by evidences of the big bang, but there is nothing at all that is known about any fundamental beginning, if even there was any that precedes the big bang.

 

[Soandso]

We don't know what? Whether there was a start to the universe??

I don't find the assumption impressive. Every holy text or mythology has some kind of creation myth. It's hard for humans to wrap their brains around a concept where things just always existed, so it makes sense that it wouldn't be a more common assumption

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't find the assumption impressive. Every holy text or mythology has some kind of creation myth. It's hard for humans to wrap their brains around a concept where things just always existed, so it makes sense that it wouldn't be a more common assumption

Really? Of course, Moses was brief in his description. And Dr. Hawking was grappling with how it happened. If I saw a house I might wonder how long ago was it built.

 

[YoursTrue]

There was a start to the universe that is supported by evidences of the big bang, but there is nothing at all that is known about any fundamental beginning, if even there was any that precedes the big bang.

Moses did not say anything other than in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. He didn't say much about how but he knew there was a beginning. I guess those are things scientists may ponder over.

 

[Soandso]

Really? Of course, Moses was brief in his description. And Dr. Hawking was grappling with how it happened. If I saw a house I might wonder how long ago was it built.

I mean... A house isn't quite on par with reality as we know it

 

[F1fan]

There was a start to the universe. Kind of, more or less. Like it blasted from a teeny, tiny substance. Moses knew the universe had a beginning. How did he know that? No telescopes, no space travel...so how do you think Moses knew that there was a beginning to the existence of the universe including the earth?

Moses was not a real person, so irrelevant. What the Bible says and how it is interpreted can't be said to be true.

So back to what scientists say.

 

[Regiomontanus]

He flipped a coin. Without knowledge, logic says that their either was a beginning, or there wasn't (and everything has always existed). So he guessed. Turns out later (thousands of years later) that he was "right," that there was a beginning.

In the time of Moses, the prevailing belief was that the universe was eternal and unchanging. This concept was common among many ancient cultures, including those of Mesopotamia and Egypt, which influenced the beliefs of the Israelites.

 

[YoursTrue]

He flipped a coin. Without knowledge, logic says that their either was a beginning, or there wasn't (and everything has always existed). So he guessed. Turns out later (thousands of years later) that he was "right," that there was a beginning.

No kidding. You sure about that? Or rather I should ask if scientists are sure the universe had a beginning? Of course many would probably not say they necessarily agreed with Genesis 1:1, but they're still pondering over how.

 

[YoursTrue]

In the time of Moses, the prevailing belief was that the universe was eternal and unchanging. This concept was common among many ancient cultures, including those of Mesopotamia and Egypt, which influenced the beliefs of the Israelites.

I'm basically speaking about what Moses wrote, not other beliefs.

 

[Spice]

There was a start to the universe. Kind of, more or less. Like it blasted from a teeny, tiny substance. Moses knew the universe had a beginning. How did he know that? No telescopes, no space travel...so how do you think Moses knew that there was a beginning to the existence of the universe including the earth?

There is a theory that before humankind evolved into a problem solver species, they had incredible inner faculties such as insight/intuition/instinct. As these inate qualities began being replaced in the evolutionary process with problem solving skills such as learning to cooperate for protection, for finding food, shelter, and the like, basically to come together to survive as a species, memory became of greater importance. As homo-sapiens continued to evolve so did their capacity to remember. As the civilized groups moved into new territories and began mingling with other groups, memories were shared.

One thought is this, Abraham's era, was when the Hebrew people were "chosen" as the "salt of the earth", a.k.a. the preservers. They passed down from generation to generation, from tribe to tribe, what was "known."

As humankind continued to evolve this great memory weakened with strife and war. Some began filling in the forgotten spots. Eventually the traditions began to change in their telling. Embellishment was added to make the stories memorable so they wouldn't be completely lost, and so it went until written language was developed and the stories gradually became written down and memory deteriorated from lack of need.

Think how just in the last few decades we've forgotten phone numbers, how to read printed maps, and instill in our memories details we know are only a Google away from recall.

Moses' era was the last of the great memories. He is often considered the author of the Pentateuch, or first 5 books of the Old Testament. The Book of Numbers alone reads as though someone wanted to make absolutely sure a record was made. Genesis aligns with so much archeological discovery of modern times that it puts one in absolute awe, even when it's not "absolutely" accurate, it's amazing.

 

[YoursTrue]

He flipped a coin. Without knowledge, logic says that their either was a beginning, or there wasn't (and everything has always existed). So he guessed. Turns out later (thousands of years later) that he was "right," that there was a beginning.

Yes, turns out he was right, according to....? There was a beginning to the universe.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Moses did not say anything other than in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. He didn't say much about how but he knew there was a beginning. I guess those are things scientists may ponder over.

Right now the prevailing, concordant model in cosmology can only 'go back' to ~ 10^-43 s after the start of the Universe. Our physics then fails at such high densities and energies.

The Universe has an origin and history. We are the Universe made conscious. There is a Creator.

 

[YoursTrue]

There is a theory that before humankind evolved into a problem solver species, they had incredible inner faculties such as insight/intuition/instinct. As these inate qualities began being replaced in the evolutionary process with problem solving skills such as learning to cooperate for protection, for finding food, shelter, and the like, basically to come together to survive as a species, memory became of greater importance. As homo-sapiens continued to evolve so did their capacity to remember. As the civilized groups moved into new territories and began mingling with other groups, memories were shared.

One thought is this, Abraham's era, was when the Hebrew people were "chosen" as the "salt of the earth", a.k.a. the preservers. They passed down from generation to generation, from tribe to tribe, what was "known."

As humankind continued to evolve this great memory weakened with strife and war. Some began filling in the forgotten spots. Eventually the traditions began to change in their telling. Embellishment was added to make the stories memorable so they wouldn't be completely lost, and so it went until written language was developed and the stories gradually became written down and memory deteriorated from lack of need.

Think how just in the last few decades we've forgotten phone numbers, how to read printed maps, and instill in our memories details we know are only a Google away from recall.

Moses' era was the last of the great memories. He is often considered the author of the Pentateuch, or first 5 books of the Old Testament. The Book of Numbers alone reads as though someone wanted to make absolutely sure a record was made. Genesis aligns with so much archeological discovery of modern times that it puts one in absolute awe, even when it's not "absolutely" accurate, it's amazing.

God loved Abraham and made him a special promise. I surely must agree with your thoughts. Because it makes sense to me. Thank you and I hope to continue tomorrow.

 

[YoursTrue]

Right now the prevailing, concordant model in cosmology can only 'go back' to ~ 10^-43 s after the start of the Universe. Our physics then fails at such high densities and energies.

The Universe has an origin and history. We are the Universe made conscious. There is a Creator.

Well, we know the universe exists because... we're alive. At least some of us do.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Well, we know the universe exists because... we're alive. At least some of us do.

 

[sayak83]

In the time of Moses, the prevailing belief was that the universe was eternal and unchanging. This concept was common among many ancient cultures, including those of Mesopotamia and Egypt, which influenced the beliefs of the Israelites.

No it was not. In most Egyptian, Greek and Mesopotamian religions, some Gods created the universe. Eternal universe concept was rare to nonexistent.