Scientology Was Purposefully Destroyed

[Eternal Thetan]

These days, it is pretty common knowledge that the Church of Scientology is an abusive cult. As an Independent Scientologist, I do not believe it was meant to be this way. LRH stumbled onto what I believed is the next step in human evolution. Unfortunately, he was not infallible, and in many ways a terrible person. But his tech, the methodologies of Scientology, is good. I know they work from experience. Something has gone wrong, but what? Based on LRH's own writing, the CoS is not applying Scientology correctly. For example, LRH was clear that only phycosomantic illness could be cured via Dianetics. Somehow, the CoS states the Clear will not suffer from any diseases. This is verifiably wrong as many Clears have died from things like cancer. Why? Because it is an organic illness. Auditing will only help things caused by the reactive mind. If you smoke 24/7, an auditor can't remove an organic tumor in your lungs. So, why the divergence from source?

As you rediscover yourself via auditing, it because apparent that were/are sinister groups that have attempted to enslave and control us as spiritual beings. I have encountered this via implanted memories and traps in my memory banks. Knowing that someone or something would go as far as to implant fake memories, it is not a stretch to assume that they would go out of their way to destroy the first step towards humanity's freedom. David Miscaviage, who wasn't even supposed to be the successor, either was selected or compromised. The little tyrant is purposely trying to destroy the subject of Scientology, so we can't free ourselves. Unfortunately, it is working. The CoS's fall was not inevitable, but rather a deliberate attempt to destroy something that could help countless people.

I know a lot of you (if not all) will disagree with my view. I look forward to honest debate on this idea.

Note: I am 100% serious. I know this post is a lot to take in for non-Scientologists. I know it sounds delusional, but I don't think it is any crazier than most religious beliefs.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

These days, it is pretty common knowledge that the Church of Scientology is an abusive cult. As an Independent Scientologist, I do not believe it was meant to be this way.

Let me begin by saying how glad I am that you are not under the thumb of the Church of Scientology. You should know that while I am not always going to agree with your views, that I'm glad you have a faith that sustains you.

I have no first hand experience with Auditing, but I imagine that it is in many ways similar to things like seeing a therapist or talking to a confessor. Having another human being assist you in facing the truth about yourself and rising above that is always a very good thing.

Beyond that, I assume we mostly disagree about things.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[Jimmy]

These days, it is pretty common knowledge that the Church of Scientology is an abusive cult. As an Independent Scientologist, I do not believe it was meant to be this way. LRH stumbled onto what I believed is the next step in human evolution. Unfortunately, he was not infallible, and in many ways a terrible person. But his tech, the methodologies of Scientology, is good. I know they work from experience. Something has gone wrong, but what? Based on LRH's own writing, the CoS is not applying Scientology correctly. For example, LRH was clear that only phycosomantic illness could be cured via Dianetics. Somehow, the CoS states the Clear will not suffer from any diseases. This is verifiably wrong as many Clears have died from things like cancer. Why? Because it is an organic illness. Auditing will only help things caused by the reactive mind. If you smoke 24/7, an auditor can't remove an organic tumor in your lungs. So, why the divergence from source?

As you rediscover yourself via auditing, it because apparent that were/are sinister groups that have attempted to enslave and control us as spiritual beings. I have encountered this via implanted memories and traps in my memory banks. Knowing that someone or something would go as far as to implant fake memories, it is not a stretch to assume that they would go out of their way to destroy the first step towards humanity's freedom. David Miscaviage, who wasn't even supposed to be the successor, either was selected or compromised. The little tyrant is purposely trying to destroy the subject of Scientology, so we can't free ourselves. Unfortunately, it is working. The CoS's fall was not inevitable, but rather a deliberate attempt to destroy something that could help countless people.

I know a lot of you (if not all) will disagree with my view. I look forward to honest debate on this idea.

Note: I am 100% serious. I know this post is a lot to take in for non-Scientologists. I know it sounds delusional, but I don't think it is any crazier than most religious beliefs.

Personal Revelation

When I die all of existence ends. Of course I will live again though. I’ve known for 15 yrs. I don’t know how I know, I just do. I guess I know in a way that other people know in a way that they’re not. The beauty of it is that no one will ever believe me. Haha.

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This is a thread I made about who I am. I believe existence began in 1979 when I was 5 yrs. old. My life is an endless cycle that ensures eternal life for us all. So someone born before that might ask why do I have memories then. This is kind of what you were saying about someone or something that would go as far to implant fake memories. Although I wouldn’t call them fake memories. They’re real, but they never really happened.

 

[ppp]

These days, it is pretty common knowledge that the Church of Scientology is an abusive cult. As an Independent Scientologist, I do not believe it was meant to be this way. LRH stumbled onto what I believed is the next step in human evolution. Unfortunately, he was not infallible, and in many ways a terrible person. But his tech, the methodologies of Scientology, is good. I know they work from experience. Something has gone wrong, but what? Based on LRH's own writing, the CoS is not applying Scientology correctly. For example, LRH was clear that only phycosomantic illness could be cured via Dianetics. Somehow, the CoS states the Clear will not suffer from any diseases. This is verifiably wrong as many Clears have died from things like cancer. Why? Because it is an organic illness. Auditing will only help things caused by the reactive mind. If you smoke 24/7, an auditor can't remove an organic tumor in your lungs. So, why the divergence from source?

As you rediscover yourself via auditing, it because apparent that were/are sinister groups that have attempted to enslave and control us as spiritual beings. I have encountered this via implanted memories and traps in my memory banks. Knowing that someone or something would go as far as to implant fake memories, it is not a stretch to assume that they would go out of their way to destroy the first step towards humanity's freedom. David Miscaviage, who wasn't even supposed to be the successor, either was selected or compromised. The little tyrant is purposely trying to destroy the subject of Scientology, so we can't free ourselves. Unfortunately, it is working. The CoS's fall was not inevitable, but rather a deliberate attempt to destroy something that could help countless people.

I know a lot of you (if not all) will disagree with my view. I look forward to honest debate on this idea.

Note: I am 100% serious. I know this post is a lot to take in for non-Scientologists. I know it sounds delusional, but I don't think it is any crazier than most religious beliefs.

I think that Scientology is exactly what Hubbard designed it to be, a MLM scheme designed to accrue wealth and power.

 

[GoodAttention]

I think that Scientology is exactly what Hubbard designed it to be, a MLM scheme designed to accrue wealth and power.

Funny how I’ve heard that apply to Paul by the Roman Empire.

 

[ppp]

Funny how I’ve heard that apply to Paul by the Roman Empire.

Citation needed.

 

[Jimmy]

Funny how I’ve heard that apply to Paul by the Roman Empire.

Anything can be used to gain wealth.

 

[GoodAttention]

Citation needed.

Citation? What for?

 

[GoodAttention]

Anything can be used to gain wealth.

Agreed, but some tools, such as religion, are far better than others.

 

[ppp]

Funny how I’ve heard that apply to Paul by the Roman Empire

Citation? What for?

 

[Twilight Hue]

These days, it is pretty common knowledge that the Church of Scientology is an abusive cult. As an Independent Scientologist, I do not believe it was meant to be this way. LRH stumbled onto what I believed is the next step in human evolution. Unfortunately, he was not infallible, and in many ways a terrible person. But his tech, the methodologies of Scientology, is good. I know they work from experience. Something has gone wrong, but what? Based on LRH's own writing, the CoS is not applying Scientology correctly. For example, LRH was clear that only phycosomantic illness could be cured via Dianetics. Somehow, the CoS states the Clear will not suffer from any diseases. This is verifiably wrong as many Clears have died from things like cancer. Why? Because it is an organic illness. Auditing will only help things caused by the reactive mind. If you smoke 24/7, an auditor can't remove an organic tumor in your lungs. So, why the divergence from source?

As you rediscover yourself via auditing, it because apparent that were/are sinister groups that have attempted to enslave and control us as spiritual beings. I have encountered this via implanted memories and traps in my memory banks. Knowing that someone or something would go as far as to implant fake memories, it is not a stretch to assume that they would go out of their way to destroy the first step towards humanity's freedom. David Miscaviage, who wasn't even supposed to be the successor, either was selected or compromised. The little tyrant is purposely trying to destroy the subject of Scientology, so we can't free ourselves. Unfortunately, it is working. The CoS's fall was not inevitable, but rather a deliberate attempt to destroy something that could help countless people.

I know a lot of you (if not all) will disagree with my view. I look forward to honest debate on this idea.

Note: I am 100% serious. I know this post is a lot to take in for non-Scientologists. I know it sounds delusional, but I don't think it is any crazier than most religious beliefs.

It's pretty clear with all the testimony and remarks by people associated with Scientology who escaped, that it's pretty much an organized crime group masquerading under the veneer of a religion.

 

[Eternal Thetan]

I think that Scientology is exactly what Hubbard designed it to be, a MLM scheme designed to accrue wealth and power.

The official Church is and can be separate from the subject of Scientology. There are a few groups and individuals that practice outside the Church. All the tech is now freely available, or very low cost if you buy the books used online. The greatest tragedy about all this is that auditing is a very low cost, and could be free. Dianetics is low risk, and LRH subtly implies that it can done by almost anyone in the actual book. One of the most destructive thing done by LRH and later David is charging money for this. I think LRH believed in what he wrote about, but was wrong a number of things. The organizational structure of the Church is one. At the end of the day, LRH spent his last days hiding from the law. He died in a Bluebird mobile home from a stroke, which would have largely been avoided of he let Scientology be freely available. Funny enough, he predicted criminals cause their own downfall for being out of ethics. His death serves as a warning of all about the danger of using Scientology for unethical behavior. David he being propped up by someone or something. It has taken years to serve a lawsuit to him. The government is protecting him for some reason. I don't know if it is just to destroy Scientology, or just because they want a cut of the Churches wealth. Regardless, David has changed the Church significantly since LRH's death. Even with his desire for money, I do not think LRH would approve the current state of the Church.

 

[ppp]

The official Church is and can be separate from the subject of Scientology. There are a few groups and individuals that practice outside the Church. All the tech is now freely available, or very low cost if you buy the books used online. The greatest tragedy about all this is that auditing is a very low cost, and could be free. Dianetics is low risk, and LRH subtly implies that it can done by almost anyone in the actual book. One of the most destructive thing done by LRH and later David is charging money for this. I think LRH believed in what he wrote about, but was wrong a number of things. The organizational structure of the Church is one. At the end of the day, LRH spent his last days hiding from the law. He died in a Bluebird mobile home from a stroke, which would have largely been avoided of he let Scientology be freely available. Funny enough, he predicted criminals cause their own downfall for being out of ethics. His death serves as a warning of all about the danger of using Scientology for unethical behavior. David he being propped up by someone or something. It has taken years to serve a lawsuit to him. The government is protecting him for some reason. I don't know if it is just to destroy Scientology, or just because they want a cut of the Churches wealth. Regardless, David has changed the Church significantly since LRH's death. Even with his desire for money, I do not think LRH would approve the current state of the Church.

That is literally a sales pitch.

 

[Eternal Thetan]

That is literally a sales pitch.

How? I recommended using freely available books, and condemned the Church and people who charge money for it. Stay away from the CoS. Stay away from people who who charge money for Scientology. I am an Independent Scientologist, so I will recommend the subject which is separate from the Church.

 

[Eternal Thetan]

It's pretty clear with all the testimony and remarks by people associated with Scientology who escaped, that it's pretty much an organized crime group masquerading under the veneer of a religion.

People who escaped the CoS. Scientology is separate from the CoS.

 

[ppp]

How? I recommended using freely available books, and condemned the Church and people who charge money for it. Stay away from the CoS. Stay away from people who who charge money for Scientology. I am an Independent Scientologist, so I will recommend the subject which is separate from the Church.

Seriously? It's a trope as old as time.

The official Church is and can be separate from the subject of Scientology. There are a few groups and individuals that practice outside the Church.

Imply that there is a corrupt empire, and an earnest, humble group who are just interested in "true scientology"

All the tech is now freely available, or very low cost if you buy the books used online. The greatest tragedy about all this is that auditing is a very low cost, and could be free.

Low cost!

Dianetics is low risk, and LRH subtly implies that it can done by almost anyone in the actual book.

Low risk!

One of the most destructive thing done by LRH and later David is charging money for this. I think LRH believed in what he wrote about, but was wrong a number of things. The organizational structure of the Church is one. At the end of the day, LRH spent his last days hiding from the law. He died in a Bluebird mobile home from a stroke, which would have largely been avoided of he let Scientology be freely available. Funny enough, he predicted criminals cause their own downfall for being out of ethics. His death serves as a warning of all about the danger of using Scientology for unethical behavior.

Anecdote about how the corrupt bad apples got their comeuppance in the end.

David he being propped up by someone or something. It has taken years to serve a lawsuit to him. The government is protecting him for some reason. I don't know if it is just to destroy Scientology, or just because they want a cut of the Churches wealth. Regardless, David has changed the Church significantly since LRH's death.

A dose of government conspiracy.

Even with his desire for money, I do not think LRH would approve the current state of the Church.

The founder repented and his true heart is really with you.

 

[PureX]

I don't know enough about the mechanisms of Scientology to assess them.

What I do now about it from those who have experienced it directly, it is clearly very cult-like. And clearly NOT intending to do much more than bilk people out of whatever they have that the controller might want. And those are always the same things: money, servitude, and sex.

Even if the mechanisms of Scientology are so spiritually advanced and positive as you claim, how were they so vulnerable to such heinous abuse? 12 step groups use some of the same practices and except for an instance back in it's earliest years, AA has never become a religion nor a cult. And no instances of systemic abuse has ever occurred. So what happened to Scientology? Why couldn't it stay clean? I mean, if a bunch of drunks can manage it ...

 

[HonestJoe]

Note: I am 100% serious. I know this post is a lot to take in for non-Scientologists. I know it sounds delusional, but I don't think it is any crazier than most religious beliefs.

That is hardly a selling point; "I'm no crazier than any of the other psychiatric patients!".

Why not stop treating it as a religion at all and simply present you hypothesis and evidence without any of the rhetoric or propaganda? Science rather than Scientology.

 

[Eternal Thetan]

Seriously? It's a trope as old as time.

Imply that there is a corrupt empire, and an earnest, humble group who are just interested in "true scientology"

Low cost!

Low risk!

Anecdote about how the corrupt bad apples got their comeuppance in the end.

A dose of government conspiracy.

The founder repented and his true heart is really with you.

You are creating a narrative that is not there.

It's free. Fact.

If you want to do it, it will not harm you. Fact.

LRH's heart is not with me, not sure why you think that is implied. You completely ignored how I told you he was an awful person in a lot of ways. He would actually hate me for criticizing any part of his teachings. Fact

Through tax evasion and LRH's lust for power he put himself in an awful situation that lead to his death. His writing on ethics explain this exact situation. Fact.

David Miscaviage literally changed how the Church audits members. A huge no no for LRH. Fact.

the CoS has bought off entire city governments and police departments. Fact

It took years for a court to declare David Miscaviage served for a lawsuit, despite his own lawyer showing up in court on his behalf. Fact.

There are groups of Scientologist, usually former Church members, who practice Scientology without the Church and aren't horrible cults. Fact.

The "a corrupt empire" is a part of Scientology belief, so yeah. It is like Christian believing Satan temps people away from God.

Scientology being targeted by some force to destroy it is my own belief, and what I am debating in this forum. Why is stating facts and my beliefs a sales pitch? Do you expect to me debate against my own argument?

 

[ppp]

You are creating a narrative that is not there.

I disagree. And I think that you simply retold that same narrative in your latest response. But why did you start by hashing out the internal drama of your religion (or whatever you all it) in the first place. That's just Jerry Springer stuff.

The question is, Is there some falsifiable claim that is unique to your belief system that is non-mundane and demonstrable both to a non-believer, and by a non-believer? If so, give me one. Your best one.