SCOTUS Overturns Bump Stock Ban

[Wandering Monk]

After the mass shooting in Las Vegas in 2017 in which 413 were wounded and 60 killed, the Trump administration implemented a ban on bump stocks. The shooter had a bump stock modification to his weapon which effectively changed it from a semi-automatic weapon to a fully automatic weapon.

The decision was 6-3 of course. Thomas wrote the majority opinion. A link to the decision is embedded in the story.

This will turn into a campaign issue for sure. My bet is that Trump sides with SCOTUS on this even though he banned it in 2018.

https://meidasnews.com/news/supreme-court-invalidates-bump-stock-ban

 

[F1fan]

This is bad. Even Barrett voted to allow them. So much for the "pro-life" and "family values" republican on the court. What will she say when a Bump stock is used in a school shooting?

The decision is flawed as it says that a semi-auto with a bump stock is not a machine gun since a machine gun fires continually with one action of pulling the trigger. But the bump stock does fire continual bullets with one action of the trigger. How is their thinking rational? The stock is as much a modification and replacing the sear in the rifle.

I predict a case coming soon that will try to make machine guns available to the average buyer without any limitation. The Bump Stock converts a semi-auto rifle to full auto, foring anywhere from 400-800 rounds a minute. One was used in the biggest and worst mass shooting in the USA. Citizens can buy and own a machine gun, but they have to apply for a Class C license from the BATF and get approval from the sheriff. How long before this limitation is deemed unconstitutional? It's essentially irrelevant with this decision.

 

[Twilight Hue]

After the mass shooting in Las Vegas in 2017 in which 413 were wounded and 60 killed, the Trump administration implemented a ban on bump stocks. The shooter had a bump stock modification to his weapon which effectively changed it from a semi-automatic weapon to a fully automatic weapon.

The decision was 6-3 of course. Thomas wrote the majority opinion. A link to the decision is embedded in the story.

This will turn into a campaign issue for sure. My bet is that Trump sides with SCOTUS on this even though he banned it in 2018.

https://meidasnews.com/news/supreme-court-invalidates-bump-stock-ban

Bumb stocks don't change fire rate.

It's not turned into a fully automatic weapon.

Please learn the facts and stop with the misinformation.

 

[Pogo]

This is bad. Even Barrett voted to allow them. So much for the "pro-life" and "family values" republican on the court. What will she say when a Bump stock is used in a school shooting?

The decision is flawed as it says that a semi-auto with a bump stock is not a machine gun since a machine gun fires continually with one action of pulling the trigger. But the bump stock does fire continual bullets with one action of the trigger. How is their thinking rational? The stock is as much a modification and replacing the sear in the rifle.

I predict a case coming soon that will try to make machine guns available to the average buyer without any limitation. The Bump Stock converts a semi-auto rifle to full auto, foring anywhere from 400-800 rounds a minute. One was used in the biggest and worst mass shooting in the USA. Citizens can buy and own a machine gun, but they have to apply for a Class C license from the BATF and get approval from the sheriff. How long before this limitation is deemed unconstitutional? It's essentially irrelevant with this decision.

Cuz the trigger moves to reconnect with the finger?
This is ridiculous, never mind the intent of the law.
Since it now up to Congress to fix the language let's see how fast and who will be behind it. Trump will probably crow about the party bureau (ATF) being part of the deep-state and argue for defunding.

 

[Pogo]

Bumb stocks don't change fire rate.

It's not turned into a fully automatic weapon.

Please learn the facts and stop with the misinformation.

If you could actually move your finger that fast, obviously the rate is ultimately limited by the mechanism.

 

[Pogo]

Bumb stocks don't change fire rate.

It's not turned into a fully automatic weapon.

Please learn the facts and stop with the misinformation.

No, effectively you are modifying the mechanism to change the function, pull the trigger once and the mechanism takes over from there, that is automatic.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, effectively you are modifying the mechanism to change the function, pull the trigger once and the mechanism takes over from there, that is automatic.

No it's not. I fired machine guns extensively in the military, took them apart and put them back together again and can tell you right now it has nothing to do with the functionality of the weapon. Bump stocks help provide with stability , not functionality.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

(Sorry for the duplicate post.)

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

After the mass shooting in Las Vegas in 2017 in which 413 were wounded and 60 killed, the Trump administration implemented a ban on bump stocks. The shooter had a bump stock modification to his weapon which effectively changed it from a semi-automatic weapon to a fully automatic weapon.

The decision was 6-3 of course. Thomas wrote the majority opinion. A link to the decision is embedded in the story.

This will turn into a campaign issue for sure. My bet is that Trump sides with SCOTUS on this even though he banned it in 2018.

https://meidasnews.com/news/supreme-court-invalidates-bump-stock-ban

This is a bad ruling in my opinion. The purpose is to increase the firing rate of a semi auto weapon.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Bumb stocks don't change fire rate.

Then why use them? Everywhere I read they say they do increase how fast you can fire the weapon.

 

[Pogo]

If you could actually move your finger that fast, obviously the rate is ultimately limited by the mechanism.

 

[Pogo]

This is a bad ruling in my opinion. The purpose is to increase the firing rate of a semi auto weapon.

SCOTUS knew full well what the intent of the law was, they are just playing games because the original wording didn't describe this at the time nonexistent version of the mechanism.
By that logic guns that use a cartridge instead of ball and wad etc aren't covered by the second amendment.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Bump stocks help provide with stability , not functionality.

Do you disagree with the following?

Bump fire stocks are gun stocks that are specially designed to make bump firing easier, but do not make the firearm automatic.[8] Essentially, bump stocks assist rapid fire by "bumping" the trigger against one's finger (as opposed to one's finger pulling on the trigger), thus allowing the firearm's recoil, plus constant forward pressure by the non-shooting arm, to actuate the trigger. Bump fire stocks can be placed on a few common weapons such as the AR or AK families. They can achieve rates of fire between 400 and 800 rounds per minute depending on the gun.[1] By 2018, bump fire stocks in the United States were sold for around $100 and up, with prices increasing prior to enactment of federal regulation.[1][9] [source]​

 

[Kathryn]

Then why use them? Everywhere I read they say they do increase how fast you can fire the weapon.

They can increase the firing to 400 to 800 shots per minute and they don't require a person to actively pull the trigger so to speak.

 

[Pogo]

No it's not. I fired machine guns extensively in the military, took them apart and put them back together again and can tell you right now it has nothing to do with the functionality of the weapon. Bump stocks help provide with stability , not functionality.

I would call not having to move my finger in order to fire a second or subsequent bullet a change in function, no operator movement required as opposed to release finger and reengage finger.
And increase stability but make them unaimable, what sort of wordplay are you engaging in here?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Then why use them? Everywhere I read they say they do increase how fast you can fire the weapon.

You can increase rapidity of fire for the machine gun effect but try hitting a target with it. Heh.

It's mostly to assist with stability and accuracy like a shock absorber does in helping in keeping a car from bouncing around.

Still. I agree it does increase the lethality of the weapon particularly if firing into crowds so I do see the reasons for restrictions.

It's sensible to want them if that helps.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Bumb stocks don't change fire rate.

It's not turned into a fully automatic weapon.

Please learn the facts and stop with the misinformation.

I already posted one video that refutes this claim. Here is another one

The man is an experienced shooter and he gets off his rounds very quickly at 2:00 in the video. At about 4:10 you seem the same gun fitted with a bump stock and the rate is much faster and he admits that he was not ready for that speed.

 

[The Hammer]

No it's not. I fired machine guns extensively in the military, took them apart and put them back together again and can tell you right now it has nothing to do with the functionality of the weapon. Bump stocks help provide with stability , not functionality.

They also assists you to shoot faster, via trigger reset. No finger needed to pull the trigger repeatedly.

My uncle has one, I've seen him use it. Because of course my family are idiots.

Looks faster to me:

 

[Twilight Hue]

They also know you to shoot faster. My uncle has one, I've seen him use it. Because of course my family are idiots.

My finger twitch can do it as well. Hence semi automatic.

Of course you being military as well knows full well what can change an AR 15 into an M16.

We both know it's not the stock.

 

[The Hammer]

My finger twitch can do it as well. Hence semi automatic.

Of course you being military as well knows full well what can change an AR 15 into an M16.

We both know it's not the stock.

Looks fast enough to me. I'm not gonna argue it with you. Because it's pointless. I say my piece and leave these days.

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