Searching for proof of God/Islam - Tell me why I'm wrong

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's all a matter of how one interprets these Holy Books. I see absolutely no conflict at all between them.

We capitalise them because they are God's Messengers or Prophets as distinct from just ordinary people. They are very precious.

About end time. Again it is a matter of how one interprets th scriptures. We understand clearly Baha'u'llah was prophesied in the Bible as well as Muhammad. Our interpretation comes from Baha'u'llah the Spirit of Truth Christ foretold Who would guide men into all truth.

Well, I'm not going to be changing your mind but I strongly disagree. Baha'u'llah and Muhammad have nothing to do with the Bible. The "Spirit of Truth" isn't a human being. He is the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Trinity. Baha'i writings and the Qur'an aren't compatible with the Bible, especially traditional Christianity.

 

[von bek]

What are you defining as religion? Things like terrorism and satanism are not seen as religion by us so let's be clear about the definition of religion first.

Why do you not see Satanism as a religion? What is your definition of a religion?

 

[McBell]

Why do you not see Satanism as a religion? What is your definition of a religion?

"I can speak any language in the world but Greek"

'speak German'

"that's Greek to me"

'Russian?'

"that's Greek to me"

 

[zahra67]

Let me clarify some things.

I believe the Quran and Torah and Gospels are the Word of God.

I do not follow or believe the interpretations of the Torah the Jews have, the interpretation of the Gospels Christians may have or the interpretation of the Quran Muslim scholars may have.

I follow the Word of God alone and I see God and the Holy Spirit in Moses and the Torah, Jesus and the Gospels and Muhammad and the Quran.

The interpretations placed on these Holy Books by their followers mean absolutely nothing to me.

we follow the holy quran, narrations and sayings of prophet Mohammad peace be upon him and also his ahl-ul-bayt for understanding the purpose of the holy quran.
and our scholars achieve the meaning of the holy quran by research in the holy quran and comparing and studying different verses of the holy Quran about specific subject, then ponder in the saying, narrations and behaviour of prophet Mohammad peace be upon him and his pure progeny.

 

[zahra67]

I'm not going to debate these things with you because I know that I would offend practitioners of Islam.

I will say that I disagree with most of what you said and I also do not believe that any of it is relevant to my beliefs concerning Christ.

I believe that the original Church and Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ has been restored today through a prophet.

So I'd just like to cut through the fat and get to the meat of the issue. Does Mohammad deny the divinity of Christ? Yes or No?

about devinity of christ no.
we believe that prophet jesus peace be upon him is one of the greatest messenger of God.
we honor him and respect him believe in him and his prophecy.
he is the messenger of God and his servant not his son.
i invite you to read my post prophet jesus and his honorable mother mary peace be upon him in the holy quran.
God introduced mary peace be upon her as a great exempler for all true believers in the holy quran!

 

[zahra67]

Kinda like the false assumptions of Jews being arrogant.

for helping you to know better the message and origine of islam which is mercy for all creation,
i invite you to read this book.
its title is religion of mercy.

https://www.al-islam.org/print/book/export/html/30482

 

[David1967]

for helping you to know better the message and origine of islam which is mercy for all creation,
i invite you to read this book.
its title is religion of mercy.

https://www.al-islam.org/print/book/export/html/30482

Thank you. I will check it out.

 

[zahra67]

Well, I'm not going to be changing your mind but I strongly disagree. Baha'u'llah and Muhammad have nothing to do with the Bible. The "Spirit of Truth" isn't a human being. He is the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Trinity. Baha'i writings and the Qur'an aren't compatible with the Bible, especially traditional Christianity.

i invite you to read sayings and behaviours of prophet mohammad peace be upon him and his immaculate ahl-ul-bayt.
they are infallible and his not sayings and behaviours are completely according to islam.
they never speak from there own desire.

al-islam.org

 

[loverofhumanity]

Thank you. I will check it out.

Is it available in PDF form? I might buy it in Kindle if it is available.

I looked up the verse in the Quran and I'm very happy to come across this sura as I've read a lot of the Quran but haven't come across this one.

Just this one passage should make people ashamed to denigrate the Quran and Muhammad. But the bad behaviour of some who profess Islam should always be called out.

Return good for evil? That is what Christ meant when He said to turn the other cheek.

[23:96] Therefore, counter their evil works with goodness; we are fully aware of their claims.

Only I do have one question if you might consider it.

Why do the clergy in Iran persecute the Baha'is when we have committed no crime?

 

[loverofhumanity]

we follow the holy quran, narrations and sayings of prophet Mohammad peace be upon him and also his ahl-ul-bayt for understanding the purpose of the holy quran.
and our scholars achieve the meaning of the holy quran by research in the holy quran and comparing and studying different verses of the holy Quran about specific subject, then ponder in the saying, narrations and behaviour of prophet Mohammad peace be upon him and his pure progeny.

Quran Sura 3:7

“None knoweth the meaning thereof except God and them that are well-grounded in knowledge.”

By 'those well grounded in knowledge" is not speaking about Islamic scholars. After God, Who is next in knowledge man or the Prophets?

So when the verse says God and after Him, Those Who are well grounded in knowledge it is referring only to the Prophets not Islamic scholars or any mortal man.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Why do you not see Satanism as a religion? What is your definition of a religion?

According to our understanding and teachings man is created to know and worship God. That is the main purpose of religion.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Well, I'm not going to be changing your mind but I strongly disagree. Baha'u'llah and Muhammad have nothing to do with the Bible. The "Spirit of Truth" isn't a human being. He is the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Trinity. Baha'i writings and the Qur'an aren't compatible with the Bible, especially traditional Christianity.

I will always respect your views. I believe in Jesus very strongly.

Let us consider this possibility. Could not this be another way of looking at that verse?

“In the Gospel of John, in speaking of the Promised One Who was to come after Christ, it is said in chapter 16, verses 12, 13: "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak."

Now consider carefully that from these words, "for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak," it is clear that the Spirit of truth is embodied in a Man Who has individuality, Who has ears to hear and a tongue to speak. In the same way the name "Spirit of God" is used in relation to Christ, as you speak of a light, meaning both the light and the lamp.
(`Abdu'l-Baha: Some Answered Questions, Pages: 108-109)”

Excerpt From: “In The Light Of Prophecies.” iBooks.

 

[zahra67]

Quran Sura 3:7

“None knoweth the meaning thereof except God and them that are well-grounded in knowledge.”

By 'those well grounded in knowledge" is not speaking about Islamic scholars. After God, Who is next in knowledge man or the Prophets?

So when the verse says God and after Him, Those Who are well grounded in knowledge it is referring only to the Prophets not Islamic scholars or any mortal man.

after prophet Mohammad, his ahl-ul-bayt are well-grounded in knowledge.”
who are immaculate and God purified them and chooseed them for guidance of people after prophet.
God says in the last part of verse 33 in chapter 33 in the holy quran:
Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a [thorough] purifying.
and about the book which i sent its link, you can download it and use it freely and also share it to others and mention its source.
you can download its pdf from this link:

https://www.al-islam.org/printpdf/book/export/html/30482
and also every one can donate to this website if desires.

 

[loverofhumanity]

after prophet Mohammad, his ahl-ul-bayt are well-grounded in knowledge.”
who are immaculate and God purified them and chooseed them for guidance of people after prophet.
God says in the last part of verse 33 in chapter 33 in the holy quran:
Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a [thorough] purifying.
and about the book which i sent its link, you can download it and use it freely and also share it to others and mention its source.
you can download its pdf from this link:

https://www.al-islam.org/printpdf/book/export/html/30482
and also every one can donate to this website if desires.

Thank you very much for the pdf. Much appreciated.

 

[RabbiO]

Any religion that teaches that other religions are false is no religion.

What to you constitutes teaching that other religions are false?

When I teach that Judaism says that there is only one G-d, am I teaching that Asatru, for example, is false? To your mind does that make Judaism not a valid religion?
When I am asked by a student if Jesus is the messiah like his neighbor told him and I respond, per Judaism, that the messiah has not yet come, am I teaching that Christianity is false? To your mind does that make Judaism not a valid religion?
When I am asked if Judaism recognizes Mohammad as a prophet of G-d and I respond that Judaism does not, am I teaching that Islam is false? To your mind does that make Judaism not a valid religion.

 

[David1967]

Is it available in PDF form? I might buy it in Kindle if it is available.

I looked up the verse in the Quran and I'm very happy to come across this sura as I've read a lot of the Quran but haven't come across this one.

Just this one passage should make people ashamed to denigrate the Quran and Muhammad. But the bad behaviour of some who profess Islam should always be called out.

Return good for evil? That is what Christ meant when He said to turn the other cheek.

[23:96] Therefore, counter their evil works with goodness; we are fully aware of their claims.

Only I do have one question if you might consider it.

Why do the clergy in Iran persecute the Baha'is when we have committed no crime?

I'm afraid that I do not know much about the persecution of Baha'i in Iran. So I will just say this. I think it is a shame for anyone anywhere to be persecuted or discriminated against because of their religion. shame on anyone who does such a thing.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I'm afraid that I do not know much about the persecution of Baha'i in Iran. So I will just say this. I think it is a shame for anyone anywhere to be persecuted or discriminated against because of their religion. shame on anyone who does such a thing.

Let's just say this: It was bloody and the Iranian government trashed the Bahais' cemetery in Yazd.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What to you constitutes teaching that other religions are false?

When I teach that Judaism says that there is only one G-d, am I teaching that Asatru, for example, is false? To your mind does that make Judaism not a valid religion?
When I am asked by a student if Jesus is the messiah like his neighbor told him and I respond, per Judaism, that the messiah has not yet come, am I teaching that Christianity is false? To your mind does that make Judaism not a valid religion?
When I am asked if Judaism recognizes Mohammad as a prophet of G-d and I respond that Judaism does not, am I teaching that Islam is false? To your mind does that make Judaism not a valid religion.

I meant not to incite hatred against other religions or oppress others because of their beliefs.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Its not uncommon for people to ask how to do quotations. So many people have been asking about it that I've made a thread:
http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/quotes-and-multi-quotes-how-to.190077/

 

[loverofhumanity]

Let's just say this: It was bloody and the Iranian government trashed the Bahais' cemetery in Yazd.

We are the 'lepers and unclean infidels' of Iranian society.