Secular Aggression

[Valjean]

then you believe an atheist, or secularist, has no beliefs?

Nobody has no beliefs, unless they're dead. Atheists have no belief in God.

 

[QuestioningMind]

then you absolutely believe secularists, or atheists, have no beliefs?

you believe a meatless lasagna isn't a entree? a food? an example of italian cooking? a pasta dish? a food containing edible and nutritious substance?

How the heck did you reach the conclusion that atheists have no beliefs? Because I lack a belief in unicorns and Gods that somehow means that I have no beliefs whatsoever? Do YOU believe in unicorns? Does you lack of belief in unicorns mean that you have NO beliefs at all? That's would be an absolutely ridiculous claim.

 

[QuestioningMind]

i'm not considered a theist

Fine... the fact that you don't consider yourself to be a theist doesn't change the fact that if you blindly insert "GOD DID IT!": every time you encounter a question you don't have an answer for that you are stifling our understanding of how reality works.

 

[Fool]

And who precisely is closed minded. Why do you think so? Even if they are in some cases, what of it? Everybody is close minded on something.

people from both extremes and violent.


anyone who claims they could never do this, or that, are in denial of their shadow.

 

[Fool]

Nobody has no beliefs, unless they're dead. Atheists have no belief in God.

and that is the foundation of their belief system; if that is how they identify. that isn't the only belief contained in their moral outlook towards self and others.

secularism

 

[sayak83]

people from both extremes and violent.


anyone who claims they could never do this, or that, are in denial of their shadow.

Provide data on violence of new atheists. I can post countless data on violence of religious extremism. In contrast you fail to furnish any evidence of violence from new atheists and still go on insinuating such things. Back up your claims or retract.

 

[Fool]

How the heck did you reach the conclusion that atheists have no beliefs? Because I lack a belief in unicorns and Gods that somehow means that I have no beliefs whatsoever? Do YOU believe in unicorns? Does you lack of belief in unicorns mean that you have NO beliefs at all? That's would be an absolutely ridiculous claim.

i'm not worried about you not believing in unicorns. a negative action is still an action of belief. in this case its about unicorns. next it will be something else.

if you're going to identify without unicorns, doesn't equate to without beliefs.

 

[Fool]

Provide data on violence of new atheists. I can post countless data on violence of religious extremism. In contrast you fail to furnish any evidence of violence from new atheists and still go on insinuating such things. Back up your claims or retract.

THAT IS THE POINT, extremists come from both sides.

Religion in China

 

[Fool]

Fine... the fact that you don't consider yourself to be a theist doesn't change the fact that if you blindly insert "GOD DID IT!": every time you encounter a question you don't have an answer for that you are stifling our understanding of how reality works.

i understand closed mindedness and abdicating responsibility.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

If we only focus on what we can readily observe, doesn't that exclude the potential for future revelation? And does proving something make it more comfortable for those who fear the unknown and how to manage their lives?

Without imagining, there would be no discovery of colorless gases. No discovering viruses, or microscopic particles, et al.

That only seeing outwardly is believing.

I think you misunderstand what "observation" includes and entails.

 

[Fool]

I think you misunderstand what "observation" includes and entails.

the hard sciences aren't to keen on the soft sciences. case in point, the relative new studies in neuroscience and consciousness. compared to mathematics, the natural sciences, even applied sciences, the social sciences: psychology, psychiatry, and sociology are relatively new.

it is also hard for new sciences to displace older and more traditional, popular knowledge; case in point, functional medicine.

 

[QuestioningMind]

i understand closed mindedness and abdicating responsibility.

You mean like being close-minded in thinking that God had to have done it and abdicating responsibility to look at other alternatives?

 

[Valjean]

and that is the foundation of their belief system; if that is how they identify. that isn't the only belief contained in their moral outlook towards self and others

Again, non-belief is not a belief, and the lack of a belief is not a system; nor is our moral outlook determined by our lack of belief.

i'm not worried about you not believing in unicorns. a negative action is still an action of belief. in this case its about unicorns. next it will be something else.

What's this negative action you refer to?

THAT IS THE POINT, extremists come from both sides.

I'm having a hard time picturing an extremist atheist...

 

[osgart]

the manner in which impressing a certain view of reality is done determines if it is aggressive or not. internet itself on the whole is aggressive at manipulating people's minds. common is seductions of presentation. forums have many hostile atheists. and the scientific world is upping the pressure to conform to secular convictions.
So in the future you will see more sophisticated and more intelligent religions. because atheism is a belief and so is naturalism.
T he secular assault is on in full force.

 

[Valjean]

the manner in which impressing a certain view of reality is done determines if it is aggressive or not. internet itself on the whole is aggressive at manipulating people's minds. common is seductions of presentation. forums have many hostile atheists. and the scientific world is upping the pressure to conform to secular convictions.
So in the future you will see more sophisticated and more intelligent religions. because atheism is a belief and so is naturalism.
T he secular assault is on in full force.

What is atheism a belief in?

 

[Fool]

What is atheism a belief in?

that is a question for a self-identifying atheist. it isn't in a god, or gods, with anthropomorphic attributes.

for a person who idolized wealth it would plutolatry.

for another it might be something else but for the most a belief in empirical evidence is usually the answer because its something they can grasp through their 5 senses and can be controlled. the problem with consciousness is that it can't be controlled. the results are obvious but the cause isn't.

gravity can be experienced but the cause isn't known.

 

[Fool]

You mean like being close-minded in thinking that God had to have done it and abdicating responsibility to look at other alternatives?

people usually act from compassion(love) or hatred and/or indifference to suffering. justice for the disenfranchised, deprived, wronged, hated, is an act of love. correction of those who have wronged, demeaned, harassed, harmed others is still an act of love and compassion.

being merciful doesn't require vengeance but it doesn't ignore the hypocrisy of the instigator, who doesn't usually appreciate the action of correction.


jesus said that you could do all these things and more. how then will we accomplish this? with love all things are possible.

 

[Valjean]

that is a question for a self-identifying atheist. it isn't in a god, or gods, with anthropomorphic attributes.

for a person who idolized wealth it would plutolatry.

for another it might be something else but for the most a belief in empirical evidence is usually the answer because its something they can grasp through their 5 senses and can be controlled. the problem with consciousness is that it can't be controlled. the results are obvious but the cause isn't.

gravity can be experienced but the cause isn't known.

You say "atheism is a belief." With specific reference to atheism, per se, what is atheism a belief in?

 

[QuestioningMind]

people usually act from compassion(love) or hatred and/or indifference to suffering. justice for the disenfranchised, deprived, wronged, hated, is an act of love. correction of those who have wronged, demeaned, harassed, harmed others is still an act of love and compassion.

being merciful doesn't require vengeance but it doesn't ignore the hypocrisy of the instigator, who doesn't usually appreciate the action of correction.


jesus said that you could do all these things and more. how then will we accomplish this? with love all things are possible.

You have this tendency to respond to questions with long ramblings that completely ignore the question being asked, don't you? At first I thought it was a matter of you didn't quite understand the question, but it appears like it's more an attempt to avoid giving an actual reply.

 

[Fool]

You say "atheism is a belief." With specific reference to atheism, per se, what is atheism a belief in?

again you'll have to ask an atheist. there is no one size fits all. there are atheists with varying beliefs, just as there are theists with varying beliefs.

case in point the varying nastika, jainism, buddhism, and carvaka