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Self injury

Ori

Angel slayer
There are many people who injure themselves, whether by cutting, burning and/or biting. People who are likely to do this, are the ones who cannot express their feelings properly, or do not have anyone to express them to.
I have always felt that physichal pain was much easier to deal with then mental anguish, and yes I have even cut myself before (this was a very long time ago).
So what do you think about self injury?
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
orichalcum said:
There are many people who injure themselves, whether by cutting, burning and/or biting. People who are likely to do this, are the ones who cannot express their feelings properly, or do not have anyone to express them to.
I have always felt that physichal pain was much easier to deal with then mental anguish, and yes I have even cut myself before (this was a very long time ago).
So what do you think about self injury?
I agree completely - self harm is indeed a form of expression of a pain that cannot be expressed any other way. Some people feel a gush of relief at the sight of blood - as if the blood represents the bad feelings they feel. I have know quite a few self harmers, and I suppose I might as well admit that I am one too (although the reasons for my doing it are different from the norm). Do I feel better after? I don't honestly think so.

The physical pain is nothing to me -I have developed a way of 'going through pain barriers' - without that discipline, I would spend most days in bed.

Not long ago, I went to the doctor to ask him to remove a toenail (because it has always had a tendency to have a littke 'shoot' growing at right angles -right into the toe). I could see he didn't really want to do it, and, to make matters worse, Marie was there saying how unnecessary it was........ So I came home, took a pair of pliers, gritted my teeth and got on with it........ The next time I saw the doctor, I showed him -if only I had had a camera!. The sad part of the story is that I thought the nail would not grow again (but alas it does).

When the pliers and surgical spirit comes out, everybody in the house runs!

But I would rather have that any day to mental anguish...........:eek:
 

Fluffy

A fool
One having unlimited power or authorityNot long ago, I went to the doctor to ask him to remove a toenail (because it has always had a tendency to have a littke 'shoot' growing at right angles -right into the toe). I could see he didn't really want to do it, and, to make matters worse, Marie was there saying how unnecessary it was........ So I came home, took a pair of pliers, gritted my teeth and got on with it........ The next time I saw the doctor, I showed him -if only I had had a camera!. The sad part of the story is that I thought the nail would not grow again (but alas it does).
*cringe* ouch! I keep absent mindedly cradling my toes in my hand now lol!

My views on self injury are this, it is your body, you should be allowed to do what you like with it. People who are generally appalled at self harm, are actually more concerned about the emotions that a loved one is feeling to drive them to such an act but express their concern badly. Plus it does help people, at least in the short term. And if it keeps somebody alive long enough for other people to notice the scars, all the better!

Since it is becoming more and more prevalent now (over half of the people I know of roughly my age, harm themselves in some way for a variety of different reasons) I think that people need to be educated better on the possible risks such as nerve and muscle damage or the risk of infection. Nobody I know wants to seriously and permanently damage their body, its either the need for help or the control over pain that drives them. Accidentally causing oneself too much harm is enough to push somebody in that situation over the edge and commit suicide.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fluffy said:
*cringe* ouch! I keep absent mindedly cradling my toes in my hand now lol!

My views on self injury are this, it is your body, you should be allowed to do what you like with it. People who are generally appalled at self harm, are actually more concerned about the emotions that a loved one is feeling to drive them to such an act but express their concern badly. Plus it does help people, at least in the short term. And if it keeps somebody alive long enough for other people to notice the scars, all the better!

Since it is becoming more and more prevalent now (over half of the people I know of roughly my age, harm themselves in some way for a variety of different reasons) I think that people need to be educated better on the possible risks such as nerve and muscle damage or the risk of infection. Nobody I know wants to seriously and permanently damage their body, its either the need for help or the control over pain that drives them. Accidentally causing oneself too much harm is enough to push somebody in that situation over the edge and commit suicide.
Hehe - when I told my doctor, he said nonchalantly "Actually, it's probably quite a healthy thing to do"; I must admit I was surprised - I had expected to get a right telling off.:eek:
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
I used to self-injure, to the point that I went into a mental hospital for my own safety. That turned me around rather quickly :) In my experience, it was a way to survive. Of letting things that are bottled up out without truly letting them out in the open. It relieved me in the short run, and gave me some rather prominent scars in the long run. It kept me from doing something more drastic, though.

Anyway yea. It's a way for people with emotional instability to calm and center themselves, however temporarily.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I'm sorry to hear that Jensa; I knew a girl who can't wear t-shirts because of her scars. She often had to go to hospital for stitches - the nurses and doctors became quite uncaring towards her, which I suppose I can understand, in a way.

The doctors and nurses here are taught not to pander to self harmers and attempted suicides - in case the 'patient' is actually looking for attention from them.
 

Fluffy

A fool
The doctors and nurses here are taught not to pander to self harmers and attempted suicides - in case the 'patient' is actually looking for attention from them.
Personally I view this as rather misguided. Firstly, an injury is an injury, regardless of how it happened, it still needs to be treated. Secondly, yes some people self harm for attention but not the melodramatic kind, they just feel like nobody is noticing their pain. Pandering to that will only encourage further self harm if they only treat the symptons, not the disease.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fluffy said:
Personally I view this as rather misguided. Firstly, an injury is an injury, regardless of how it happened, it still needs to be treated. Secondly, yes some people self harm for attention but not the melodramatic kind, they just feel like nobody is noticing their pain. Pandering to that will only encourage further self harm if they only treat the symptons, not the disease.
I think you misunderstand me; I am not saying that the doctors and nurses don't cure the physical symptoms - they do. It's just that they are taught not to go into a 'Poor you, you must be suffering badly to be doing that to yourself' routine - which could lead the self harmer develop the tactic into a Munchausen's pattern. besides, someone with a problem needs to want to have that problem sorted; until that stage, any help is doomed to failure.:)
 

Unedited

Active Member
I've always seen little difference between cutting and doing drugs. Both are harmful and are often times done for similar reasons. Still, both can be helpful in the long run. Both become a real problem though, when an addiction develops. A little cutting is one thing, but it's not good when a person feels the need to cut just because they haven't in awhile, and not because there's any real pain.
 

Fluffy

A fool
I think you misunderstand me; I am not saying that the doctors and nurses don't cure the physical symptoms - they do. It's just that they are taught not to go into a 'Poor you, you must be suffering badly to be doing that to yourself' routine - which could lead the self harmer develop the tactic into a Munchausen's pattern. besides, someone with a problem needs to want to have that problem sorted; until that stage, any help is doomed to failure.
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Yeah that makes sense. Just as long as they are engaged in why they are cutting then I'd be happy though I agree with you that such discourse should not be done in a "poor you" kind of way.

I've always seen little difference between cutting and doing drugs. Both are harmful and are often times done for similar reasons. Still, both can be helpful in the long run. Both become a real problem though, when an addiction develops. A little cutting is one thing, but it's not good when a person feels the need to cut just because they haven't in awhile, and not because there's any real pain.
I agreed with this to a small extent but I did not know there was a theory that self harm was addictive. Do you have any sources or studies to back this up?
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Jensa said:
Anyway yea. It's a way for people with emotional instability to calm and center themselves, however temporarily.
Yep... we all develop ways of dealing with the negative in life... some drink too much, take drugs, resort to violence against a spouse or a child.... humans are always looking for a way to mask/redirect their pain.

I thank God you've turned yourself around.

Peace,
Scott
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
I have personal experience to say self harm is addictive, if that contributes anything to the discussion, Fluffy.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fluffy said:
Yeah that makes sense. Just as long as they are engaged in why they are cutting then I'd be happy though I agree with you that such discourse should not be done in a "poor you" kind of way.


I agreed with this to a small extent but I did not know there was a theory that self harm was addictive. Do you have any sources or studies to back this up?
I didn't realize it was, but it makes sense - it becomes a compulsion, according to:-
http://www.helpguide.org/mental/self_injury.htm
Self-injury (SI) – also known as self-harm or self-mutilation – is defined as any intentional injury to one's own body. It usually either leaves marks or causes tissue damage. It is hard for most people to understand why someone would want to cut or burn himself/herself). The mere idea of intentionally inflicting wounds to oneself makes people cringe. Yet there are growing numbers of young people who do intentionally hurt themselves. Understanding the phenomenon is the first step in changing it.

Who engages in self-injury?

There is no simple portrait of a person who intentionally injures him/herself. This behavior is not limited by gender, race, education, age, sexual orientation, socio-economics, or religion. However, there are some commonly seen factors:

  • Self-injury more commonly occurs in adolescent females.
  • Many self-injurers have a history of physical, emotional or sexual abuse.
  • Many self-injurers have co-existing problems of substance abuse, obsessive-compulsive disorder (or compulsive alone), or eating disorders.
  • Self-injuring individuals were often raised in families that discouraged expression of anger, and tend to lack skills to express their emotions.
  • Self-injurers often lack a good social support network.
What are the types of self-injury?

The most common ways that people self-injure are:

  • cutting
  • burning (or “branding” with hot objects)
  • picking at skin or re-opening wounds
  • hair-pulling (trichotillomania)
  • hitting (with hammer or other object)
  • bone-breaking
  • head-banging (more often seen in autistic, severely retarded or psychotic people)
  • multiple piercing or multiple tattooing
Throughout history, various cultures have intentionally created marks on the body for cultural or religious purposes. Some adolescents, especially if they are with a group engaging in such practices, may see this as a ritual or rite of passage into the group. However, beyond a first experiment in such behavior, continued bodily harm is self-abusive. Most self-injuring adolescents act alone, not in groups, and hide their behavior. There are also some more extreme types of self-mutilation, such as castration or amputation, which are rare and are associated with psychosis.

How does self-injury become addictive?

A person who becomes a habitual self-injurer usually follows a common progression:

  • the first incident may occur by accident, or after seeing or hearing of others who engage in self-injury
  • the person has strong feelings such as anger, fear, anxiety, or dread before an injuring event
  • these feelings build, and the person has no way to express or address them directly
  • cutting or other self-injury provides a sense of relief, a release of the mounting tension
  • a feeling of guilt and shame usually follows the event
  • the person hides the tools used to injure, and covers up the evidence, often by wearing long sleeves
  • the next time a similar strong feeling arises, the person has been “conditioned” to seek relief in the same way
  • the feelings of shame paradoxically lead to continued self-injurious behavior
  • the person feels compelled to repeat self-harm, which is likely to increase in frequency and degree
Why do people engage in self-injury?

Even though there is the possibility that a self-inflicted injury may result in life-threatening damage, self injury is not suicidal behavior. Although the person may not recognize the connection, SI usually occurs when facing what seems like overwhelming or distressing feelings. The reasons self-injurers give for this behavior vary:

  • self-injury temporarily relieves intense feelings, pressure or anxiety
  • self-injury provides a sense of being real, being alive – of feeling something
  • injuring oneself is a way to externalize emotional internal pain – to feel pain on the outside instead of the inside
  • self-injury is a way to control and manage pain – unlike the pain experienced through physical or sexual abuse
  • self-injury is a way to break emotional numbness (the self-anesthesia that allows someone to cut without feeling pain)
  • self-abuse is self-soothing behavior for someone who does not have other means to calm intense emotions
  • self-loathing – some self-injurers are punishing themselves for having strong feelings (which they were usually not allowed to express as children), or for a sense that somehow they are bad and undeserving (an outgrowth of abuse and a belief that it was deserved)
  • self-injury followed by tending to wounds is a way to express self-care, to be self-nurturing, for someone who never learned how to do that in a more direct way
  • harming oneself can be a way to draw attention to the need for help, to ask for assistance in an indirect way
  • sometimes self-injury is an attempt to affect others – to manipulate them, make them feel guilty or bad, make them care, or make them go away :(
 

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
We used to burn ourselves with hot beer caps, we called them party marks. I have also gotten 3 tattoos, a pierced belly, five holes in my ears.

I never hurt myself out of depression or anger. I guess I had my brothers and sisters to vent my anger out on, so I didn't take it out on myself.
 
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