Senator Kennedy has Died

[Kathryn]

I didn`t have a problem with your statement because I simply thought it was biased and unfounded but now your implying that perhaps God himself is happy Kennedy is dead.

That`s kinda sick.

What the heck are you talking about - my statement is that maybe TK is glad he's dead - maybe he was in a lot of pain and wanted to go on, who knows?

I didn't say a thing about God being happy Kennedy is dead. The thought frankly never crossed my mind - but this makes me wonder why you would jump to that conclusion so quickly.

 

[PureX]

I'm about as sad for him as I was when I heard Mao Tse Tung died. Or Tammy Faye Bakker (she IS dead, right?).

Actually, Tammy Faye came to show herself as a very kind and generous person in her last years. She came to embrace homosexuals as beloved children of God and did a lot to mend the harm that traditional Christianity has done among the homosexual community.

As for Senator Kennedy, I don't know. I think he was basically just another politician, in love with and fascinated by his own power. I'm sure he's done some good, but I sure don't see him as any kind of hero.

 

[Kathryn]

Oh and my feelings and opinions about TK are biased and unfounded? I don't much care for an alcoholic, philandering, corrupt politician who used his family connections to avoid prosecution in the death of a young woman - a man who supported basically limitless abortion rights while proclaiming to be an observant Roman Catholic - yet you say my statement was biased and unfounded? These are facts that are public knowledge - even biographers sympathetic to TK admit these facts - but my OPINION that he was a morally corrupt man and politician, and my statement (which is 100 percent true, I assure you) that I found him repulsive - these are unfounded and biased statements?

Nyah, I don't think so. I am singularly unimpressed with the character (or lack thereof) of the man.

 

[T-Dawg]

I didn't say a thing about God being happy Kennedy is dead. The thought frankly never crossed my mind - but this makes me wonder why you would jump to that conclusion so quickly.

Sometimes people will refer to God as "HE" (in capitals), so they were confused. Either way, they quickly noticed the mistake and apologized, so this isn't an issue anymore. Move along.

 

[Kathryn]

I didn't say Tammy Faye Bakker was evil - her death just didn't move me in any way.

Hey, you gotta admit - she was weird. I mean, like REALLY weird!

 

[tumbleweed41]

Senator Kennedy has been a champion of the Equal Rights Amendment for over 30 years, which would enshrine in the Constitution the principle of equality for men and women. He was in the forefront of Senate leadership that won its passage in Congress in 1972 and has reintroduced the legislation again in the 110th Congress.
He was a key supporter of Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 and the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1987, which protect women from discrimination in educational institutions and have increased athletic opportunities for young women attending colleges and universities around the country.

In 1973, in response to the Watergate scandal, Kennedy and Republican Senate Leader Hugh Scott, introduced and passed the first ever bipartisan campaign finance bill to help clean up the electoral system. The legislation imposed new contribution limits and established strong public financing provisions for presidential elections. It also created an independent agency, the Federal Election Commission, to enforce the law and administer the public funding program.
Senator Kennedy was an original cosponsor of the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, which later became the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). The law served to amend the Education of the Handicapped Act and to guarantee a free and appropriate public education to children with disabilities, regardless of their severity, in all states.
In 1978, Senator Kennedy cosponsored the Civil Rights Commission Act Amendments of 1978, which expanded the jurisdiction of the Civil Rights Commission to protect people from discrimination on the basis of disability. Two years later, Kennedy cosponsored the Civil Rights for Institutionalized Persons Act, which enforced the rights of people in government institutions such as the elderly, the disabled, the mental ill, and the incarcerated under the Constitution
In 1988, Kennedy introduced the Fair Housing Act Amendments to extend the Fair Housing Act of 1968 to include people with disabilities and families with children.

Despite his personal problems, Senator Kennedy has been fighting the good fight for Americans since he first entered public office.

He will be sorely missed.

RIP Ted

 

[Ciscokid]

In January of 1984 President Ronald Reagan ok the CIA to mine Sandino harbor in Nicaragua. Some french sailors were hurt and one was killed because of the actions of our president. We were not at war with Nicaragua. This was seen as an act of terrorism by the whole world.

This act was clear violation of international law. The Sandanistas took their case to the International Court of Justice in the Hague (also known as the World Court) and won, though the US administration refused to recognize the court’s jurisdiction. The mining of the harbors was an example of “force against another state,” the court said; US support of the contras “amounts to an intervention of one state in he internal affairs of the other.”

President Reagan only got away with this because he was the President of the USA. He was personally responsible ( not an accident like what Ted did ) for the death of another human being. this was a worse act then Ted Kennadys. It both killed and hurt many innocent lives. Will you now say you are not a huge fan of Ronald Reagan.

I noticed you "forgot" to include this part of the story you are quoting:

The mines were designed primarily to damage and scare off ships rather than destroy them, but they were a clear violation of international law.

Oops!

It's ok, I got your back.

 

[McBell]

I noticed you "forgot" to include this part of the story you are quoting:

OK.
And?

 

[Ciscokid]

OK.
And?

There was no intent to kill. Of course I'm sure Ted didn't intend to kill the aide. He just didn't handle it well.

 

[Smoke]

There was no intent to kill.

Right.

 

[Zephyr]

Hey guys I'm just gonna go ahead and leave a bunch of lethal mines around here. Don't worry, they aren't intended to kill.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

I noticed you "forgot" to include this part of the story you are quoting:
Oops!

It's ok, I got your back.

I did not know that part of the story. I mostly work off of memory and I only research to make sure my facts are right. So thank you.

I picked this Historical fact because it was the least provocative crime of the Republican administrations of Reagan and Bush Sr. I choose it over the Genocide of the Maya people In Guatemala, the random shelling of muslim neighborhoods in Lebanon by the USS Missouri and the murder of the great civil rights leader of Arch Bishop Romaro. You see this stuff use to make me so mad . Its Has been a struggle for me to forgive. I had a friend who was a catholic priest who was murdered by a right wing death squad. That was trained and funded by my Tax dollars through the cia. I try to see the good and bad side of the folks I agree with and the folks who have different views then I do.
I don’t like the attacks on Sara Palins family. And the unreasonable hate that is aimed at the liberals. I am a liberal but i believe that many folks on the right can be moral also. I see all of this 100% certain stuff that Kennedy was a monster ( my words not hers) as a reminder of how hard it is to forgive, and that people change. It's a call for me to grow.

 

[Elessar]

May Edward Moore Kennedy rest in peace and his family be comforted by G-d, glorified and sanctified be his great name, in this difficult and saddening time.

 

[Kathryn]

(Kathryn runs from the room gagging.)

 

[Elessar]

What? Is there something about Sen. Kennedy so terrible that he shouldn't rest in peace?

Considering that I can count the number of people on one hand that I honestly think should never rest in peace, I apparently have much lower standards than you. I mean, whatever good or bad Kennedy's done, he's no Hitler, nu?

 

[Kathryn]

I don't care whether he rests in peace or not - that's not what I was gagging about. What I was gagging about is all the accolades to him on this thread in general. I wouldn't want any of my boys to lead the life he's led.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I don't care whether he rests in peace or not

Ah Kathryn, your expressions of love, peace and forgiveness are a beacon of light to us all....

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

I don't care whether he rests in peace or not - that's not what I was gagging about. What I was gagging about is all the accolades to him on this thread in general. I wouldn't want any of my boys to lead the life he's led.

I would not want my boy to live the life that king David did ( Not that I am saying that Ted Kennedy is like the biblical David ) Yet... God seemed very happy with him. I can't look into peoples hearts so I try not to be so harsh with my judgements.

I have problems with the whole 1969 Chappaquiddick mess.It should be a lesson to us all. Just like we should not judge David only by Bathsheba. The question is what is a persons life look like over the long term. People can and do change.