It may be, but that isn't why they are coming to the US.
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Senator Manchin says he won’t vote for Build Back Better Bill
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Suave
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"In 2018, the World Bank estimated that three regions (Latin America, sub-Saharan Africa, and Southeast Asia) will generate 143 million more climate migrants by 2050.[3] In 2017, 68.5 million people were forcibly displaced, more than at any point in human history. While it is difficult to estimate, approximately one-third of these (22.5 million[4] to 24 million[5] people) were forced to move by “sudden onset” weather events—flooding, forest fires after droughts, and intensified storms."
The climate crisis, migration, and refugees
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- 1United Nations. “UNHCR Factsheet: Cyclone Idai.” May 2019.
- 2Reid, Kathryn “2019 Cyclone Idai.” World Vision. April 26. 2019. 2019 Cyclone Idai: Facts, FAQs, and how to help | World Vision
- 3Kumari Rigaud, Kanta, Alex de Sherbinin, Bryan Jones, Jonas Bergmann, Viviane Clement, Kayly Ober, Jacob Schewe, Susana Adamo, Brent McCusker, Silke Heuser, and Amelia Midgley. 2018. Groundswell: Preparing for Internal Climate Migration. The World Bank. Pg 2. Groundswell : Preparing for Internal Climate Migration
- 4McDonnell, Tim. “The Refugees the World Barely Pays Attention To.” June 20, 2018. The Refugees The World Barely Pays Attention To.
- 5The Nansen Initiative. “Disaster-Induced Cross-Border Displacement.” December 2015. Page 6. https://nanseninitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/PROTECTION-AGENDA-VOLUME-1.pdf
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With so much attention on Joe Manchin, people overlook that Kyrsten Sinema is also a no vote.
I find this study highly suspect and woefully biased. Especially since I have lived in Latin America and still visit it often.
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metis
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I note that you didn't answer my question.
Thus, to repeat, did you support the unpaid Trump tax cuts that mostly helped the wealthy? Going by your response above, I guess the answer has to be that yes you did, right?
BTW, what about the corporations/companies that make billions that pay no federal taxes?
This is not just a political issue as it's also an ethical issue that deals with are we going to take steps to help the poor & needy as the Gospel commands us to do? IMO, that, along with having a basic faith in God & Christ, should be of our highest priorities. I think you'll likely agree with this, right?
metis
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There are numerous other articles on this besides the below:
Central America is among the most vulnerable regions on the planet to climate change, despite producing less than 1% of global carbon emissions, according to the World Bank. Residents of the Northern Triangle have endured five drought years over the past decade. In 2018 alone, a dry spell caused crop losses for at least 2.2 million people, according to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO). Most of them were subsistence farmers with no crop insurance who were growing corn and beans. Last year’s Hurricanes Eta and Iota destroyed homes, crops, and roads, affecting 8 million people across Central America. Additionally, infections such as leaf rust, exacerbated by climate change, are increasingly killing coffee crops, one of the region’s top exports.
“These consecutive years of extreme drought are really driving poverty and food insecurity in the region and pushing families to abandon agriculture and to migrate to survive,” says Marie-Soleil Turmel, a soil scientist with Catholic Relief Services, which works with farmers in the area. “Whole communities are being wiped out.” -- Climate Change Has Central Americans Fleeing to the U.S. - Bloomberg
Here we go again? This reminds me of how Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown. There are RINO Senators like Romney, Murkowski and Collins that could completely change things. If just one of them votes for Biden’s Build Back Better monstrosity, along with Harris’ tie breaker vote, then it passes. We’ve seen this play before.
That way Manchin and maybe other Democrats can have it both ways. They can tell their constituents they voted against it so they don’t get the hit come election time, but the bill still passes.
Don’t imagine for a minute some such a turncoat RINO wouldn’t stab the Republican base in the back to presume the mantle of being “principled”, “bipartisan” and to curry favor from the country club set and have Leftists fawn and gush over them. They have done it before.
There is one wild card. If other Democrats don’t vote the Party line. Sinema might not. Likewise other Democrat Senators who are facing tough re-election fights.
Consider this. If the “fix” isn’t in, then why would Schumer schedule for a vote on the bill in January? He didn’t get to the top by being stupid.
That way Manchin and maybe other Democrats can have it both ways. They can tell their constituents they voted against it so they don’t get the hit come election time, but the bill still passes.
Don’t imagine for a minute some such a turncoat RINO wouldn’t stab the Republican base in the back to presume the mantle of being “principled”, “bipartisan” and to curry favor from the country club set and have Leftists fawn and gush over them. They have done it before.
There is one wild card. If other Democrats don’t vote the Party line. Sinema might not. Likewise other Democrat Senators who are facing tough re-election fights.
Consider this. If the “fix” isn’t in, then why would Schumer schedule for a vote on the bill in January? He didn’t get to the top by being stupid.
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Wow! Tax revenue went up only 6 percent during the 4 years under Trump, that does not even keep up with inflation.
Suave
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"The cost per refugee to American taxpayers just under $79,600 in the first five years after a refugee is resettled in the U.S.;"
The Fiscal Cost of Resettling Refugees in the United States
Even if the study is half correct about the amount of climate refugees resettling in the U.S. from Latin America, I figure that'd be around an average of a few hundred thousand Latin American climate refugees resettling into the U.S. each year, their resettlements into the U.S. costing tax payers $24 billion a year or nearly a trillion dollars over a 40 year period.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think you really show your colors with the above, as you've made it abundantly clear that it is exclusively partisan politics with you. IMO, that is the kind of sickness that our Founding Fathers detested even the thought of having.
OTOH, like Will Rogers once lamented, “I belong to no organized party; I am a Democrat".
The bias is found here...
All this is definitely true. The bias is that "all of a sudden" there is a massive migration due to natural causes. There has always been earthquakes, droughts and hurricanes destroying whole communities. There has always been migration due to these causes. It would like saying "Today, India has migration because of monsoons" -- when it is a common occurrence.
Those people have always made adjustments and migrations after these situations.
An unbiased position would be, "Climate catastrophes have increased migration by 10%" or "United States open borders increased migration after disasters by 30%" instead of relegating it all to Climate Change
Or, "The Venezuelan diictatorship increased Venezuelan migration in October than all of the year of 2020" More Venezuelan migrants crossed into U.S. in October than in all of 2020 and things like these.
But to relegate it all about climate as if it is a new thing is biased at its core IMO
Hmmm... and your point is?
The question was "how was it paid for". Apparently it was paid for since taxes increased by 6%.
What they also needed to do was close loop holes.
Spending 2.4 trillion won't increase taxes. The interest will cripple the middle and lower class
Very interesting... thank you for sharing.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
If you link to the article that's found at the end of my post, you'll see that climate change wasn't the first thing they talked about. Here's what you didn't read:
José Mario Antonio Milla can remember a time when he could count on the rain. In La Laguna, a hamlet of about 60 families in western Honduras, showers used to start at the end of April and continue through November, ensuring a healthy harvest of corn to feed his family. In good years, he sometimes had a small amount left over to sell. Now it’s already June, and not a drop has fallen on his 2 acres or so of land, he says. Forecasters predict a shorter rainy season this year, which has the 52-year-old farmer wondering if his six-person household will have enough to eat.
Families in La Laguna used to produce as much as 8 tons of corn a year but now have to settle for about a third of that, Milla says. “That was in the old days, 15 or 20 years ago. No one harvests those quantities anymore.” Several of his neighbors and relatives have quit trying to wring a living off the land and have moved to the cities, while others hired coyotes to smuggle them into the U.S.
Two of Milla’s sisters are living in Pennsylvania, and a brother has hopped around several states. Says Milla: “When things get bad, people leave. But the coyotes often deceive them, and then they’re right back here again.”
Working the fields outside the town of Intibucá, Honduras.
PHOTOGRAPHER: FRANCESCA VOLPI
The so-called Northern Triangle is plagued by chronic violence, corrupt governments, and a lack of economic opportunities—factors that send a more than 300,000 El Salvadorans, Guatemalans, and Hondurans fleeing their countries each year, according to estimates by academics at the University of Texas at Austin. Farmers, who in some of these nations make up as much as 30% of the population, are battling another menace: extreme weather... -- Climate Change Has Central Americans Fleeing to the U.S. - Bloomberg
Oh, really? There is nothing in my analysis that says partisan on my part. I just point out the partisanship and self-centerness of the Washington critters. If you think my speculative analysis is flawed show where you think it is. Better than drive by sniping.
Do you want to go on the record saying you think that none of the Left leaning Republicans will vote for the BBB bill if it comes to a vote?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Ya, really. When you use a term like "RINO", clearly indicating that you actually think all Pubs should walk in line, that's "partisan politics", and contrary what you may believe about me, I don't play that same game. If you can't see that, then you've managed to fool yourself. And this is certainly not the only time you're done this, btw.
I didn't "snipe"-- I read what you wrote in an objective way in spite of your denials.
And, btw, if you were really concerned about "self-centeredness", then you certainly wouldn't be constantly defending Trump & Co as you continuously have done. If you are so blind as to not see what they tried to do on January 6th and thereafter, then either you haven't been following the evidence or you don't care.
So no rebuttal of the analysis I did. And you refuse to state whether you think the RINO Republican Senators will vote for the BBB. Like I wrote, just drive by sniping.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, when you use "RINO" just because they have [hopefully] their own brain, and then you tell us that you're not just another partisan hack? Oh, my aching back.
To your question, I don't know if any will or not, but at least I hope they base it on its own merits and/or deficits and not just partisan politics like you're clearly into. I see pros & cons to it, but I'm more convinced that it's likely more pro as 17 Nobel Prize economists have said that it would help us, and in more ways than just one.
Whatever pleasures you, I guess.
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Mr. Manchin reportedly told Mr. Biden he would support a Build Back Better package if it were to cost no more than two trillion dollars over the next 10 years.
I propose the following new framework of spending for Build Back Better's social safety net programs, research and development programs, child tax credits, and tax incentives for clean renewable energy meeting Mr. Manchin's demands of this costing no more than two trillion dollars over the course of the next decade.
$550 billion for green renewable energy tax incentives, and green renewable energy research and development programs.
U.S. House passes Build Back Better bill. What's in it for renewable energy?
$390 billion for universal pre-K education., one year of eligible tuition free pre-K education per student instead of the original proposed two years. The New America Foundation in 2014 predicted that preschool programs would cost about $8,000 per pupil per year. At that rate, providing preschool to all 4-year-olds would cost taxpayers $31 billion ( 2014 dollars ), $39 billion in cost average dollars per year over the next ten years.
$170 billion for affording housing and low income housing assistance programs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/build-back-better-includes-170-billion-for-housing.html
$150 billion to expand the Federal contribution to Medicaid's home and community based program by six percent annually over ten years.
$740 billion to increase the refundable child tax credit by $1,000 per year. ( 74 million children per year eligible for tax credit * $1,000 * 10 years)
The total cost of this build back better new framework is just only two trillion dollars per decade.
This two trillion dollars of the new framework of spending for Build Build Back Better could be paid in full by new taxes such as the Build Back Better's surcharge tax imposed upon the personal income of multi-millionaires and billionaires or the 15 percent minimum tax applied to any corporation (other than an S corporation, regulated investment company, or real estate investment trust) whose average annual adjusted financial statement income exceeds $1 billion over any consecutive three-tax-year period preceding the tax year.
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