Senator Manchin says he won’t vote for Build Back Better Bill

[pearl]

I think the real slap in the face to Biden and the dems was his choice to announce his final 'no' on Fox News. I do not understand his reasoning when his constituents are some of the neediest.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I think the real slap in the face to Biden and the dems was his choice to announce his final 'no' on Fox News. I do not understand his reasoning when his constituents are some of the neediest.

Green reasoning, and I don't mean environmental.

 

[tytlyf]

2 Trillion+ plus taxes.

Over 10 years. That's 200 Billion a year. Which is paid for.
How about 7.5 Trillion? I'm sure you're fine with that number. That's what we spend on defense. Where you don't see any benefits. But corporations do. You know, a budget that kinda just vanishes.

 

[Kenny]

Over 10 years. That's 200 Billion a year. Which is paid for.
How about 7.5 Trillion? I'm sure you're fine with that number. That's what we spend on defense. Where you don't see any benefits. But corporations do. You know, a budget that kinda just vanishes.

I don't deal with strawman issues.

As Manchin said, the 2.3 Trillion was the cost for only accomplishing what was in it for a very short term -- with no "how to we finish the job" vs. "Let's get the most important issue fixed (Infrastructure) and then move from there". short term bandaids don't accomplish anything.

 

[F1fan]

If they are anything like the FFA is.

I just take for granted they want 50 years for the red tape and bureaucracy to go through properly.

Do you not take the problems and threat of climate change seriously?

 

[F1fan]

2 Trillion+ plus taxes.

When you have guys like trump, Besos, and Musk paying almost no income taxes then the burden will fall on the average Joe citizen like us. Would you support tax laws that require these billionaires to pay at least something so the USA can afford to invest in infrastructure and its citizens?

 

[F1fan]

When the green becomes a ripe cost effective alternative, it will happen naturally. The interest on a runaway spending spree will kill the children before fossil fuel will have an effect.

Cost effective alternatives come when there is money to invest in research. That is how the market pushes innovations. Plus the oil lobby sure as hell is spending money (thanks to them limiting production and making more profits through inflation which is the free market at work) to get congress to slow down legislation for green energy.

At what point is climate change going to be bad enough until conservatives acknowledge its a problem?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Doesn't look like his decision to announce that is having positive results on the economy: Goldman Sachs Cuts U.S. Growth Forecast After Manchin Rejects Build Back Better Plan

 

[Kenny]

When you have guys like trump, Besos, and Musk paying almost no income taxes then the burden will fall on the average Joe citizen like us. Would you support tax laws that require these billionaires to pay at least something so the USA can afford to invest in infrastructure and its citizens?

That has nothing to do with 2.3 Trillion dollar spending spree... that has to do with tax codes. Spending more money doesn't close loopholes.

 

[Kenny]

Cost effective alternatives come when there is money to invest in research. That is how the market pushes innovations. Plus the oil lobby sure as hell is spending money (thanks to them limiting production and making more profits through inflation which is the free market at work) to get congress to slow down legislation for green energy.

At what point is climate change going to be bad enough until conservatives acknowledge its a problem?

So let's limit lobbying and not make corporations "people". Get corporations out of the voting booth.

 

[Suave]

When the green becomes a ripe cost effective alternative, it will happen naturally. The interest on a runaway spending spree will kill the children before fossil fuel will have an effect.

What is a few trillion dollars of renewable green energy investments compared to tens of trillions of dollars being spent on mass migrations due to global warming?

 

[Kenny]

What is a few trillion dollars of renewable green energy investments compared to tens of trillions of dollars being spent on mass migrations due to global warming?

I am at a loss on how mass migration is due to global warming. Having gone to Honduras and other third world countries,,, global warming is not in the mix for the reason of migration.

 

[metis]

I don't see it that way.

It would have passed if it had been the 1.2 bipartisan infrastructure bill. It is the 1.1 extra "put your children in debt" that killed the bill and gave life to my grandchildren.

Did you support Trump's massive tax break that was unpaid for?

 

[metis]

Having gone to Honduras and other third world countries,,, global warming is not in the mix for the reason of migration.

Actually, it's a major contributor because of the drought hitting the Northern Triangle Countries. However, that's not the only reason.

 

[metis]

Cost effective alternatives come when there is money to invest in research. That is how the market pushes innovations. Plus the oil lobby sure as hell is spending money (thanks to them limiting production and making more profits through inflation which is the free market at work) to get congress to slow down legislation for green energy.

At what point is climate change going to be bad enough until conservatives acknowledge its a problem?

And that's the key, whereas the government has massive subsidies for the fossil fuels and farming interests. Shouldn't we be investing more in our kids than them? Is money more important than they?

It just blows my mind why so many on the right are pro-life on abortion but then don't seem to give a diddly damn about kids once they're borne.

 

[Suave]

I am at a loss on how mass migration is due to global warming. Having gone to Honduras and other third world countries,,, global warming is not in the mix for the reason of migration.

Please let us realize the United Nations has reported how global warming climate change is adversely impacting Latin America.
UN weather agency: millions affected by climate change and extreme weather in Latin America and Caribbean

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I have no idea why Americans are worried by the size of their national debt. There has been no chance at all, that it could ever be repaid. Adding a few trillion to it is neither here nor there. No government has ever tried to pay any of it off, and it now makes no difference to anyone. Neither you nor your children will ever be asked to settle it.

The interest on it is part of the base budget cost and has been since year dot.

 

[metis]

I have no idea why Americans are worried by the size of their national debt. There has been no chance at all, that it could ever be repaid. Adding a few trillion to it is neither here nor there. No government has ever tried to pay any of it off, and it now makes no difference to anyone. Neither you nor your children will ever be asked to settle it.

The interest on it is part of the base budget cost and has been since year dot.

And 17 Nobel Prize winners in Economics have gone on record that it would benefit us in the long run, thus they're on-board as it would benefit millions of Americans and also stimulate the economy. But also the issue of climate change MUST be addressed, or we are really going to "mortgage our future" even according to our own DoD estimates.

 

[F1fan]

That has nothing to do with 2.3 Trillion dollar spending spree... that has to do with tax codes. Spending more money doesn't close loopholes.

When opponents are saying we can't pay for these social and infrastructure investments then how the super rich avoid paying taxes DOES have something to do with it. We ought to raise taxes on the wealthy and cut taxes on the middle class and spend money to fix our infrastructure.

 

[F1fan]

So let's limit lobbying and not make corporations "people". Get corporations out of the voting booth.

So what we need is more citizens agreeing with your sentiment.