Shakespeare too sexual for Florida’s schools?

[Messianic Israelite]

Okay sorry for weird title, but this story has confused the hell out of me since I heard about it.

Apparently schools, in order to comply with the “don’t say gay bill” (?) DeSantis has enacted for schools, many schools are now heavily editing what parts of Shakespeare is being taught. Only allowing certain sections of his plays to be read for class, due to how bawdy they often are (which they absolutely are.) Which seems beyond dumb to me, but maybe that’s because my uncle (an English teacher) heavily drove it into my head to laud Shakes lol

I’m not American so I can’t make heads nor tails of this one guys. It just seems so….bizarre to me.
Help me out here, guys.

The Observer view on Ron DeSantis, Shakespeare and sex: ‘Man, proud man… Most ignorant of what he’s most assur’d’ | Observer editorial

Application of the Florida governor’s ‘don’t say gay’ law has led to the banning of plays such as Romeo and Juliet in some schools

www.theguardian.com

Hi SomeRandom. Good afternoon. What I don't get is that pornography is the main problem in our modern day society, yet I do not see the left calling for a ban on it. Hypocrisy? I would say so. It's almost like straining out the gnat, but swallowing the camel (Matthew 23:24).

 

[metis]

What I don't get is that pornography is the main problem in our modern day society, yet I do not see the left calling for a ban on it.

1st Amendment.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Hi SomeRandom. Good afternoon. What I don't get is that pornography is the main problem in our modern day society, yet I do not see the left calling for a ban on it. Hypocrisy? I would say so. It's almost like straining out the gnat, but swallowing the camel (Matthew 23:24).

How is pornography a problem for you? Are you forced to watch it? Forced to participate in making it? Are you upset that others may make different choices than you do?

 

[SomeRandom]

Hi SomeRandom. Good afternoon. What I don't get is that pornography is the main problem in our modern day society, yet I do not see the left calling for a ban on it. Hypocrisy? I would say so. It's almost like straining out the gnat, but swallowing the camel (Matthew 23:24).

What’s pornographic about Shakespeare?
I mean his plays have some bawdy humour, don’t get me wrong. But if you want an example of actual pornographic material in classical literature that is taught in modern day academia, you literally have an example in the Libertine Movement, with authors such as John Wilmot or Marque De Sade.
Granted I highly doubt their books are readily available in school libraries (below University/College level anyway.) Especially not in America of all places. No offence but nudity here only warrants an “M” rating on our media here
(M being the equivalent of a PG13 rating for you guys.) It’s seemingly an automatic R rating in America, if I’m not mistaken.

For reference

Libertine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Jimmy]

Live n let live. Desantis needs to go imo. Hope trump doesn’t get elected. To much drama for a presidency imo

 

[Subduction Zone]

How is pornography a problem for you? Are you forced to watch it? Forced to participate in making it? Are you upset that others may make different choices than you do?

Yes, people come into my house and force me to watch Pornhub 24/7. My hand is very tired.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What’s pornographic about Shakespeare?
I mean his plays have some bawdy humour, don’t get me wrong. But if you want an example of actual pornographic material in classical literature that is taught in modern day academia, you literally have an example in the Libertine Movement, with authors such as John Wilmot or Marque De Sade.
Granted I highly doubt their books are readily available in school libraries (below University/College level anyway.) Especially not in America of all places. No offence but nudity here only warrants an “M” rating on our media here
(M being the equivalent of a PG13 rating for you guys.) It’s seemingly an automatic R rating in America, if I’m not mistaken.

For reference

Libertine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Some people, but sadly far too many here in good old 'Mericuh! think that any sexual reference is "pornography". The would go so far as to ban such shows as the Victoria's Secret Lingerie shows where one sees no more than one would on a public beach. It can be rather embarrassing at times.

 

[SomeRandom]

Some people, but sadly far too many here in good old 'Mericuh! think that any sexual reference is "pornography". The would go so far as to ban such shows as the Victoria's Secret Lingerie shows where one sees no more than one would on a public beach. It can be rather embarrassing at times.

Hmm, part of me wonders what such folks would have to say about underwear ads in our stores here. On display for all to see.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmm, part of me wonders what such folks would have to say about underwear ads in our stores here. On display for all to see.

Send one in a spoiler. That should be within the rules. I hope. Though I have seen some of the Wicked Weasel catalog pictures that would definitely be called porn here. If you are thinking of those they might be to blatant even with a spoiler. Those would definitely be called "porn" by some of our posters here.

 

[SomeRandom]

Send one in a spoiler. That should be within the rules. I hope. Though I have seen some of the Wicked Weasel catalog pictures that would definitely be called porn here. If you are thinking of those they might be to blatant even with a spoiler. Those would definitely be called "porn" by some of our posters here.

Okay
This is an example that is commonly seen displayed in huge pictures over the underwear sections in the stores here

Spoiler

Bonds X-Temp Brief Black 4 Pack In Multi | MYER

Spoiler

Abbey Lee, Ine Neefs & Alicia Burke Model Calvin Klein Underwear SS18

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Some people, but sadly far too many here in good old 'Mericuh! think that any sexual reference is "pornography". The would go so far as to ban such shows as the Victoria's Secret Lingerie shows where one sees no more than one would on a public beach. It can be rather embarrassing at times.

We humans have been writing some pretty ribald stuff since we first started writing -- and even some pretty good sex scenes (think Enkiddu's first encounter with Shamhat in the Epic of Gilgamesh). Apuleius' The Golden ***, or the rape of Aldonza in Cervantes' Don Quixote. How many places was Nabokov's Lolita banned? How shocking was Mann's Death in Venice with the heart-rending futility of an older man's attraction to a young Polish boy?

Sex is a pretty big deal in every animal species that can't reproduce parthenogentically -- and if it's a big deal, then intelligent creatures should be able to consider it, along with everything else they consider about themselves and their lives. And -- squeamish American prudess be damned -- we're going to continue to think about it, and write about it. And often enough, joke about it, too.

 

[YmirGF]

Okay sorry for weird title, but this story has confused the hell out of me since I heard about it.

Apparently schools, in order to comply with the “don’t say gay bill” (?) DeSantis has enacted for schools, many schools are now heavily editing what parts of Shakespeare is being taught. Only allowing certain sections of his plays to be read for class, due to how bawdy they often are (which they absolutely are.) Which seems beyond dumb to me, but maybe that’s because my uncle (an English teacher) heavily drove it into my head to laud Shakes lol

I’m not American so I can’t make heads nor tails of this one guys. It just seems so….bizarre to me.
Help me out here, guys.

The Observer view on Ron DeSantis, Shakespeare and sex: ‘Man, proud man… Most ignorant of what he’s most assur’d’ | Observer editorial

Application of the Florida governor’s ‘don’t say gay’ law has led to the banning of plays such as Romeo and Juliet in some schools

www.theguardian.com

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

(Meaning Florida, for those in the slow lane.)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Okay
This is an example that is commonly seen displayed in huge pictures over the underwear sections in the stores here

Spoiler

Bonds X-Temp Brief Black 4 Pack In Multi | MYER

Spoiler

Abbey Lee, Ine Neefs & Alicia Burke Model Calvin Klein Underwear SS18

I do not see too many going nuts over those, but I can still see a mother in the south hurrying her kids past those sort of ads in a mall.

 

[Kenny]

Okay sorry for weird title, but this story has confused the hell out of me since I heard about it.

Apparently schools, in order to comply with the “don’t say gay bill” (?) DeSantis has enacted for schools, many schools are now heavily editing what parts of Shakespeare is being taught. Only allowing certain sections of his plays to be read for class, due to how bawdy they often are (which they absolutely are.) Which seems beyond dumb to me, but maybe that’s because my uncle (an English teacher) heavily drove it into my head to laud Shakes lol

I’m not American so I can’t make heads nor tails of this one guys. It just seems so….bizarre to me.
Help me out here, guys.

The Observer view on Ron DeSantis, Shakespeare and sex: ‘Man, proud man… Most ignorant of what he’s most assur’d’ | Observer editorial

Application of the Florida governor’s ‘don’t say gay’ law has led to the banning of plays such as Romeo and Juliet in some schools

www.theguardian.com

I believe this is just one school board but it is an over-reaction that will be ironed out and then placed back in.

 

[Viker]

BTW. I enjoyed playing Romeo, Mercutio and Tybalt. Mostly Romeo or Tybalt (poor Mercutio, poor Tybalt). Mostly because I got to stab people and the catharsis of it all. Shakespeare was therapeutic for me.