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Shakespeare too sexual for Florida’s schools?

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Okay I’ve read classic horror less frightening. Just wtf!!
American obsession with sex -- and obsession that has led far too many to fear and misuse that very natural function. Don't forget, the first white Americans were mostly Puritans, who couldn't even bear dancing! Anything enjoyable, in far too many American viewpoints, is an invitation to sin. :eek:
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
No doubt. He even seemed to think that married sex was immoral in some way. He was very proud of the fact that he never had sex with his wife. From the same article:

However, while Kellogg became the preeminent leader in nutrition and health reform during the late 19th century, his proudest and most cherished accomplishment was never having sex with his wife. Though he received daily enemas from a handsome male nurse, he was so adamant that sex of any kind was a vex to physical, emotional and spiritual health that he slept in a separate room from his wife and fostered 42 children to avoid having to consummate his marriage.


A lot of the claims in that article are not hearsay. They are taken from a book that Kellogg wrote called "Plain Facts for the Old and Young"

That link goes to the book itself.
Poor wife! I hope she had the good sense to make some use of the Postman!
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Oh what the heck:

In Plain Facts, Kellogg suggested anesthesia-free circumcisions for masturbating adolescent boys because “the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment.” And if circumcision wasn’t an option? He recommended parents have their son’s foreskins sewn onto the shaft of their penis with a metal wire so that every erection is met with blinding pain and shame. For girls, he advised parents to apply carbolic acid to their daughter’s clitoris, writing that this method provides an “excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement.”



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Oh what the heck:

In Plain Facts, Kellogg suggested anesthesia-free circumcisions for masturbating adolescent boys because “the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment.” And if circumcision wasn’t an option? He recommended parents have their son’s foreskins sewn onto the shaft of their penis with a metal wire so that every erection is met with blinding pain and shame. For girls, he advised parents to apply carbolic acid to their daughter’s clitoris, writing that this method provides an “excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement.”

I've just ate a bowl of "Frosties" and this was news to me. Sick as...Think I'll stick to supermarket branded cereal products from here on in...
 
I wish conservatives would pay attention.

Liberal cancel culture is an annoying pain in the butt. But, current conservative culture of erasure is becoming a authoritarian nightmare set in law.

I've said it before, I will say it again. Woke these days does sort of suck sometimes but anti-woke is worse.
Far right and far left almost morph into each other at the extremes as both just disappear up their own fundament essentially where reason has taken flight. I've been a regular on a conservative forum for years and to the far right I'm some loony leftist because I don't agree with the advocacy of homosexuality being a capital crime and forced marriage with no chance of divorce for those caught having sex outside of wedlock etc. On the flip side I have debates with friends who think I'm not that liberal because I don't embrace political correctness and am royally fed up with a lot of current trends in media/culture in that regard.

It's fun though...
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
American obsession with sex -- and obsession that has led far too many to fear and misuse that very natural function. Don't forget, the first white Americans were mostly Puritans, who couldn't even bear dancing! Anything enjoyable, in far too many American viewpoints, is an invitation to sin. :eek:
An old joke:

Why don't Baptists have sex while standing up? Someone might think that they were dancing.
 
I've watched interviews of those alive during that time, apparently it was a thing where some dumbkins actually believed women can't have orgasms and only men really had those carnal lusts and desires.
Sad to say but there's a percentage on forums even now who think that women have the sex drive of deck chairs and the like in comparison to men. They obviously haven't met many...
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I hate teaching R+J because it is irredeemably filthy (and not very good story telling). If, though (and as I said) we pick a play with less troublesome content, then we can teach the Bard and avoid the problems.
Irredeemably filthy? Not very good storytelling? Rubbish. There’s a reason the story has lasted through the ages and everyone knows the balcony scene. There’s a reason it’s been made into a movie time and again. There’s a reason it’s regularly taught in high school. It’s a wonderful and compelling story that strikes a chord with the masses.
 

The drive of women is more complex. Going with that line of thought, comparing it to a male's in terms like "better/worse" is too basic to be accurate.
Well, the whole nature of sex/drive and the fueling factors are more complicated than what certain elements on the fringes declare. Definitely more complicated than any basic summing up.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
"Irredeemably filthy?" Wow, you must be overly priggish. Better stay far, far away from Sonnet 135 -- you might perish from the sexual innuendo in that one.
Heh...we had Sonnet 130 as part of our wedding readings. It lacks the level of sexual inuendo, but it rang pretty true to our thoughts on overly romanticised love.

I sometimes think people forget that whilst Shakesperean plays might be considered high culture now, that was not the case in his times.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Heh...we had Sonnet 130 as part of our wedding readings. It lacks the level of sexual inuendo, but it rang pretty true to our thoughts on overly romanticised love.

I sometimes think people forget that whilst Shakesperean plays might be considered high culture now, that was not the case in his times.

I find it amazing how much our vocabulary and metaphor comes from Shakespeare, even when people don't realize they're using it. Shakespeare's influence on modern English is incredible, imo.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Plot twist, this is the school’s way of increasing teens reading Shakespeare and DeSantis was just an easy cover story lol

Could be. I recall hearing a story about a band from the 70s (can't remember which) where the record company actually wanted them to have a song that would be banned on the radio. They thought it would increase publicity and record sales. I wish I could remember which band it was. But the old "forbidden fruit" syndrome seems to work.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Could be. I recall hearing a story about a band from the 70s (can't remember which) where the record company actually wanted them to have a song that would be banned on the radio. They thought it would increase publicity and record sales. I wish I could remember which band it was. But the old "forbidden fruit" syndrome seems to work.
Lol a common joke among many a fanbase that I am in is that companies intentionally upset Pearl clutching folks so they get free advertising
 
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