shooting in OKC

[David1967]

The full details as of now. Thank God for good people willing to put their lives on the line for others.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ar...ere-to-help/ar-AAxOEoo?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=AARDHP

 

[Cacotopia]

Some useful advice.....
It appears that you're addressing someone's post.
But without quoting one, or otherwise alerting one,
one might not know.

Was an expansion on my own post, but why bother, cause there is no changing minds here.

 

[Cacotopia]

No one here who has bought a gun has bought it for the intent to protect other people's lives.

 

[dfnj]

This happened earlier this evening. A man walked into a restaurant at Lake Hefner in Oklahoma city around 6:00 pm and opened fire wounding two that I know of at this point. Before he could do more damage he was confronted by an armed citizen who shot him dead. Thank God for this hero or it may well have been worse. So far the only dead is the bad guy. Friends and relatives are thanking the individual for saving lives of their loved ones that were in the restaurant. Any shooting is bad but it's good to have a positive outcome this time.

Yeah, for every one of these stories there's ones like this one:

Father accidentally kills himself in front of children at grocery store

"SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY, Va. (WTVR) – A father accidentally shot and killed himself at the grocery store Sunday evening, according to the Spotsylvania CountySheriff’s Office.

The father, a 45-year-old Spotsylvania man, was in his minivan with his children waiting for his wife to return a DVD to the Redbox outside the Giant Food Store in Harrison Crossing when he was shot, said Captain Elizabeth Scott with the Spotsylvania County Sheriff’s Office.

The wife said she heard a pop and when she ran back to the minivan, her husband told her he thought he’d shot himself, said Capt. Scott."

http://wtvr.com/2011/11/14/father-accidentally-kills-himself-in-front-of-children-at-grocery-store/

I actually knew this guy. He was coming back from Church when this happened.

 

[oldbadger]

You are anti-gun...just not as extreme as the total banners.
The symptom is your bonkers reasoning flung at me.

Er?
What?
Guns safes, Gun Insurance, Gun Training, Gun Licensing, Crim & Health reviews..... are all bonkers?

Oh..... and a ban on completely unnecessary fast-firing assault-type weapons....

All bonkers........ I'll see if I can get some psycho-therapy going, preferably with a nice therapist...... it's all free here anyway. I shall tell her (I'm hoping) that Revoltingest from Detroit has sent me.

 

[PureX]

"Spewing"?
Geeze Louise....
You're just bound & determined to see no value in self defense, are ya.

I see it as sometimes necessary, for the presumed greater good. I do not see it as something we should venerate, but rather something that is a sad fact of life. When we venerate it, as we so often do in this country, we only increase the insane notion that killing people that we think are "bad" and "deserve it" is a virtuous act. It's exactly this kind of insanity that fuels so many of these shooters to commit mass murder.

You made a clear point?

I posted: "The point is that when someone kills someone that is killing someone else, it's not a "good thing". They are not a "hero". They have killed a human being, and this is not a heroic act. It may sometimes be a necessary act, but it's neither good nor heroic. And we should not be rejoicing in it, as many gun nuts around the country will and are surely doing."

"It's our lust for and love of vengeance, masquerading as "justice" that is causing all this killing in the first place. I suspect the murderer in this instance, and in a great many others, imagined himself as a "hero", and his murder spree as an act of "justice". They nearly all do. So let's not add to this insanity by pretending that the man that killed him was a "hero" dispensing "justice", as well. It just adds to the insanity of it all. That's my point."

What about this was unclear to you?

 

[Revoltingest]

Was an expansion on my own post, but why bother, cause there is no changing minds here.

Not always.
It's been known to happen.

 

[Revoltingest]

I posted: "The point is that when someone kills someone that is killing someone else, it's not a "good thing". They are not a "hero". They have killed a human being, and this is not a heroic act. It may sometimes be a necessary act, but it's neither good nor heroic. And we should not be rejoicing in it, as many gun nuts around the country will and are surely doing."

"It's our lust for and love of vengeance, masquerading as "justice" that is causing all this killing in the first place. I suspect the murderer in this instance, and in a great many others, imagined himself as a "hero", and his murder spree as an act of "justice". They nearly all do. So let's not add to this insanity by pretending that the man that killed him was a "hero" dispensing "justice", as well. It just adds to the insanity of it all. That's my point."

What about this was unclear to you?

I'd already addressed that.
But you objected, saying there was some point I didn't address....some as yet unclear one.
Turns out you just missed my explanation, ie, sometimes killing is a positive thing.

 

[PureX]

Turns out you just missed my explanation, ie, sometimes killing is a positive thing.

And I pointed out that killing a human being is never "a good thing". Even if it is occasionally a necessary thing, to lessen the degree of evil.

Please explain how I am wrong, and how killing someone is "a good thing" in and of itself. Because I don't think you can.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

sometimes killing is a positive thing.

Spoken like someone who's never killed anyone.

 

[Revoltingest]

Please explain how I am wrong

It's just a difference of opinion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Spoken like someone who's never killed anyone.

Spoken like someone who can't make tough but necessary decisions.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

What was it that Hector said in the movie Troy when he confronted Paris?

"There is nothing poetic about seeing men die"

Killing is never positive. I've grown up around men who have taken life or had the intent to take life and none of them bragged about it being positive.

I just want to see how you'd act if someone pulled a gun on you because you looked different I bet you'd change your tune then..

 

[Revoltingest]

What was it that Hector said in the movie Troy when he confronted Paris?

"There is nothing poetic about seeing men die"

Killing is never positive. I've grown up around men who have taken life or had the intent to take life and none of them bragged about it being positive.

In this thread we're assessing (not bragging) it
as positive because the death toll was limited
to less then it would otherwise be.

What's the alternative....was it negative
for the defender to shoot the assailant?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

In this thread we're assessing (not bragging) it
as positive because the death toll was limited
to less then it would otherwise be.

What's the alternative....was it negative
for the defender to shoot the assailant?

Dude cut it. where I'm from you are food to the sharks bro. Seriously you've never killed nobody nor shot at someone. I've been a victim of drivebys as a kid You don't know what its like having bullets fly past you. Tired of cowards talking about what they would do or what should happen. I know Bloods that would kill your 60+ something self for your wallet man. Stop it.

If you have to kill its a life or death scenario but its never positive nor heroic.

 

[Revoltingest]

Dude cut it. where I'm from you are food to the sharks bro. Seriously you've never killed nobody nor shot at someone. I've been a victim of drivebys as a kid You don't know what its like having bullets fly past you. Tired of cowards talking about what they would do or what should happen. I know Bloods that would kill your 60+ something self for your wallet man. Stop it.

If you have to kill its a life or death scenario but its never positive nor heroic.

It seems that you're unduly proud
to run with a very rough crowd.
Ignore what I posted.
Instead you just boasted
as though it makes you well endowed.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

It seems that you're unduly proud
to run with a very rough crowd.
Ignore what I posted.
Instead you just boasted
as though it makes you well endowed.

I don't run with no crowd I said I know, it does not mean I hang around them big difference. I work for a living.

Edit one of the perks with growing up in the inner city with the unfortunate experience of violence is you meet "marks" like yourself who say the very same thing you're saying here. If I were you don't ever come to California and especially the inner. Your CCW (which is next to impossible to get unless you're a cop, lawyer or judge) will not help you if you ever want to be a "good guy" out here in Los Angeles County.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't run with no crowd I said I know, it does not mean I hang around them big difference. I work for a living.

Edit one of the perks with growing up in the inner city with the unfortunate experience of violence is you meet "marks" like yourself who say the very same thing you're saying here. If I were you don't ever come to California and especially the inner. Your CCW (which is next to impossible to get unless you're a cop, lawyer or judge) will not help you if you ever want to be a "good guy" out here in Los Angeles County.

I've lived in LA, & worked Hawthorne.
Prolly before you were even a gleam in your daddy's eye.
Were you really as tough as you try to appear, you'd at address the issues.
But instead, all you have is this ad hominem rage.

 

[Revoltingest]

Here's one example of someone who should carry chamber empty.....
Off-duty FBI agent allegedly shot a man accidentally after gun falls on dance floor in Denver bar – The Denver Post

Video of the incident obtained by Denver7 shows a man alleged to be the FBI agent dancing while surrounded by onlookers and then executing a backflip. During the flip, the gun appears to fly out of the man’s holster. The man in the video jumps to pick up the firearm and appears to fire the gun in the process. The man puts the gun back away in the back of his pants and holds up his hands as onlookers appear shocked and scared.