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Shooting the Street Preachers?!?

jonny

Well-Known Member
Mormons, temple sidewalk critics clash

Every year, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints invites the public to its Easter Pageant on the north lawn of the Mesa Arizona Temple.

And every year, street preachers come to warn guests about flaws they see in Mormon doctrine. But tensions escalated at this year’s pageant that ended Saturday night, according to people on both sides of the issue.

“I saw two (Mormon) members actually try to get in the face of a street preacher and pull a megaphone away from him,” said Mesa resident Craig Ray, 50, a Mormon who engages the street preachers in conversations. “That wouldn’t have happened last year, but it happened this year. Whatever they did or said, more of the preachers are here and they brought their family and kids. They are trying to be more confrontational also in their preaching.”

Ray has attended anti-Mormon rallies at places such as Salt Lake City and the Mesa temple grounds for about seven years to serve as a go-between to keep the peace between Mormons and the preachers.

Lonnie Pursifull, 41, a Baptist from Salt Lake City who belongs to the Street Preachers Fellowship, said one street preacher was shot Thursday night with a BB gun. Pursifull said the attack left the preacher with a blood blister on his back.

“We had a lot of good conversations besides that, but we’ve had some Mormons getting pretty rough,” Pursifull said.

Mesa police Sgt. Chuck Trapani confirmed the shooting and said the culprits were described as white men in their 20s wearing dark shirts. He said police are investigating the incident as an aggravated assault.

Police officers patrol the event each night and try to maintain crowd control, but Pursifull said he sometimes disregards instructions from the officers.

“I go where God tells me to go,” he said. “Not where police officers tell me to go.”

Pursifull says his constitutional rights allow him to do what he’s doing, and police overstep their authority when they interfere.

He said the confrontations and pressure from police to keep preachers in certain areas has only prompted more preachers and families from across the country who oppose the Mormon religion to attend the Easter Pageant.

Pursifull has attended the Mesa pageant and many other Mormon functions for the past three or four years.

He travels the country speaking out against the Mormon church and others that he says offend his faith, such as homosexuals.

:biglaugh: Yeah, forgive me for my lack of compassion, but this was funny.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
white men in their 20s wearing dark shirts

Won't be hard finding those guys in a pack of Mormons. :D

Seriously, what is it going to take to get this street preaching problem under control on both sides?
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Street preaching can annoy me at times...let me paraphrase an incident...

Preacher (some way up the road) : Jesus Loves you, rant, rant, rant
Preacher (as we approach) : Jesus Loves you, rant, rant, rant
Preacher (as we arrive and to our face) : Jesus Loves you, rant, ran....'
Me : Yes I know.
Preacher : So you know that Jesus loves you, rant, ra....
Me : Yes thanks.
Preacher :Jesus Loves you, rant, ra.....
Me : The thing that gets me is that you think that Jesus Loves you...and you're the only one that knows...whereas many of these people probably have a personal relationship with God and Jesus. You're standing in the street telling people as if they don't know. The reason they can't know is that they're not in the street shouting about it. Thing about a personal relationship with God and Jesus, is that they are personal.

Preacher : But Jesus Loves you.....

I think the word is evangelical....BB Guns....break out the water cannon!!!!!

(I should add as this is the LDS thread that I have met quite a lot of Missionaries over the years...and always found them friendly, devoted, commited, yet polite.)
 

Ori

Angel slayer
Nehustan said:
Street preaching can annoy me at times...let me paraphrase an incident...

Preacher (some way up the road) : Jesus Loves you, rant, rant, rant
Preacher (as we approach) : Jesus Loves you, rant, rant, rant
Preacher (as we arrive and to our face) : Jesus Loves you, rant, ran....'
Me : Yes I know.
Preacher : So you know that Jesus loves you, rant, ra....
Me : Yes thanks.
Preacher :Jesus Loves you, rant, ra.....
Me : The thing that gets me is that you think that Jesus Loves you...and you're the only one that knows...whereas many of these people probably have a personal relationship with God and Jesus. You're standing in the street telling people as if they don't know. The reason they can't know is that they're not in the street shouting about it. Thing about a personal relationship with God and Jesus, is that they are personal.

Preacher : But Jesus Loves you.....

I think the word is evangelical....BB Guns....break out the water cannon!!!!!

(I should add as this is the LDS thread that I have met quite a lot of Missionaries over the years...and always found them friendly, devoted, commited, yet polite.)

Jesus loves you Nehustan! :biglaugh:
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Actually as a question regarding LDS missions...what kind of training do you receive re: social interaction/people skills? (I know its off topic but....)
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Nehustan said:
Actually as a question regarding LDS missions...what kind of training do you receive re: social interaction/people skills? (I know its off topic but....)

I'm not sure about that, I'm sure Jonny could answer that, but here is a link to the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah

http://www.mtc.byu.edu/
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Nehustan said:
Just had a quick look, looks very well organised.

I hope it answered some of your questions. I'm sure you could email someone there and they could answer your questions.
 

DeepShadow

White Crow
As someone who was shot in similar fashion while serving my mission, I am appalled! Here the street preachers are claiming that LDS aren't Christian, and these two come along and demonstrate the point?! Where's the Christlike love? Where's turning the other cheek?

I'm also appalled at the attitudes of my fellow LDS on this thread. Would it have been as funny, Jonny, if these thugs had missed and hit someone else? How about if the street preacher had been hit in the eye, or if it had penetrated soft tissue and damaged his liver or kidney? Before you say how unlikely that is, let me say I'm personally familiar with cases where this happened. One of my friends in high school had terrible vision in one eye because of a BB gun, and a woman in a town near mine nearly died because of a drive-by with a BB gun. Harmless fun, yeah right.

What can I say. To paraphrase Johnny Carson, religious violence just doesn't crack me up like it used to.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
Nehustan said:
Actually as a question regarding LDS missions...what kind of training do you receive re: social interaction/people skills? (I know its off topic but....)
You could buy the new "manuel" for the missionaries if you wanted: http://deseretbook.com/store/product?sku=4923830

Way back when, there was a link to a pdf of the book on www.lds.org - I downloaded it, and the next time I went to look for it, it was gone. Needless to say, I have the pdf on my computer, but I'm not sure how right it would be for me to pass it around.
 

DeepShadow

White Crow
jonny said:
What's sad? People getting yelled at going to an Easter service or the people who are being yelled at annoying them?

Or...

...people stooping to sniping at others because of religious disagreements?

...people cheering for the snipers?

I think this whole thing is sad, all the way around.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
Would it have been as funny, Jonny, if these thugs had missed and hit someone else?

I think I was still in a good mood from the penguin pictures. Of course it wouldn't have been funny. I don't think they should have done that and should be prosecuted for doing it if found. Unfortunately, as always, I am easily amused.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
Nehustan said:
Actually as a question regarding LDS missions...what kind of training do you receive re: social interaction/people skills? (I know its off topic but....)
The MTC concentrates on a couple of different things. Since I was learning a language, there was a lot of focus on teaching me German. I only had 10 weeks to learn it before I was shipped off. There is also a lot of focus on learning the scriptures.

As for social interaction and people skills, if you haven't learned those by your mission you're going to have a tough time. I remember plenty of discussions where they focused on developing charity and learning to see people through Christ's eyes. Personally, I don't think you can be a good missionary unless you can develop genuine love for the people who you are teaching.

A lot of the teaching focused on presentation skills and teaching skills. Stuff like giving backgound on scriptures before reading them and asking people questions to get them involved in the discussion. They also gave tips for different cultures and ways to approach people on the street and the door. We did learn about the ways different people learned and tried to customize our presentations to the individual. Nothing really exciting or interesting through.
 

Krie

Member
persomally i think that htey have no business on the streets. If anyone wants to learn about a religion they should doin an awesome little religous forum place:D or die trying. as for the shooters, you guys shouldn't shoot preachers... that is just screwed... the streets are open territory but i must admitt the preachers do get annoying... so if someone bothers you let them know... even with a bullet throught the head.
:D
 
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