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No Slack
I feel that way about both Trump and Biden.
Its hard to accept those two are the best there is to offer.
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Should a Convicted Felon Be Allowed to Remain on the Presidential Ballot?
- Thread starter SalixIncendium
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Its hard to accept those two are the best there is to offer.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I do not agree with the Democratic strategy of running Biden as a safe candidate. But they may have seen Trump as too big of a threat to the country to do otherwise.
We Never Know
No Slack
From another link embedded in your link. Him plus almost a thousand more.
Nov. 2, 1920: Imprisoned Eugene V. Debs Received One Million Votes for U.S. President
Eugene V. Debs received one million votes in the U.S. presidential election while in prison on the Socialist Party ticket.www.zinnedproject.org
"which led to the imprisonment of almost a thousand people. Their crime was to protest, by speech or writing, U.S. entrance into the war."
May 16, 1918: The Sedition Act of 1918 Enacted
The Sedition Act of 1918 was enacted to extend the Espionage Act of 1917. It forbade the use of “disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language” about the U.S. government.
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Banach-Tarski Paradox
*Banned*
From another link embedded in your link. Him plus almost a thousand more.
"which led to the imprisonment of almost a thousand people. Their crime was to protest, by speech or writing"
May 16, 1918: The Sedition Act of 1918 Enacted
The Sedition Act of 1918 was enacted to extend the Espionage Act of 1917. It forbade the use of “disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language” about the U.S. government.
Have you ever heard the phrase, “shouting fire in a crowed theater”?
It’s from a Supreme Court case, and is a metaphor specifically coined for “passing out leaflets against a military draft”.
I guess the metaphor seemed more poetic.
Cheney has bigger name recognition, and I think she could pull votes away from Trump. The thing is I think if anyone sees Trump as a viable and better candidate than Biden that they might be too far gone upstairs. I think voters just taking an interest in reputable news and learning about both candidates, and the actual state of the economy, Biden would attract a good number of voters. I'm just perplexed by the polling numbers, and how inconsistent they have been. My only conclusion is that polling is a rather worthless set of data. Remember that Clinton had sizable polling advantages before the election. Obama was behind in polling to Romney until the election. Romney was shocked that he lost, his own polling assured his win. So looking at trends it would be bad if Biden was leading in these early polls.
Trump has no platform. His legacy is the failed pandemic response. There's a lot of disinformation about the economy that isn't true, and yet people are still spending money like it's the 80's. There are a lot of months for the voters to really consider the candidates and the future.
We Never Know
No Slack
Yeah. I think it was about the draft
I see you edited your post before I finished my reply lol
Should Congress make it illegal? With limitations. They should have been a convicted felon prior to announcing their run for office, have been a felon within the last 3 years, and then it should be illegal. Its to keep Congress from making people into felons to keep them from running.
I knew a sociopath personally, once. Because of that experience, in some ways... I get it. The thing with sociopaths is that they have an extremely charismatic aura and if they're telling you what you want to hear, you follow. You don't think, you just swoon and follow. Surely, this is the one? The chosen one? Of course they are the chosen one! And there is a blindness that overcomes that isn't lifted until been beaten, broken, and discarded for the next victim. That's how socially well-adjusted sociopaths work. Usually, after knowing one such "human" you learn to spot the signs and steer widely clear of anyone who exhibits them. But by that time the damage is done. And there are always those who love their abusers even when they've been broken. It... well, it's a thing.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I am not so sure that Congress could pass such a law if they wanted to. I think a change of who can run for President would have to be done by writing a new Amendment. Hopefully it will not be such a big problem that we will have to consider doing so.
If Trump had not stuffed the Supreme Court he would already be banned by the 14th Amendment. That seems good enough for me. What we need is another court case once we lose some of the MAGA judges.
We Never Know
No Slack
Kinda similar to an abused spouse that thinks it will get better, people are not seeing the good in him, its not as bad as they think, etc etc.
(had a sister that lived that for a bit)
Banach-Tarski Paradox
*Banned*
It may be worth noting that Eugene Debs was unable to vote for himself from his prison cell due to felony disenfranchisement.
I fully support the rights of felons to vote for themselves from their prison cells.
I fully support the rights of felons to vote for themselves from their prison cells.
Yeah. It can get messy and complicated.
I've been reading some research reports lately about some interesting political divides emerging between males and females. With the destruction of equal rights for women in this country, I'm not even remotely surprised about that, but there's also a sad and complex tale to be told for the men as well. The boys are not all right - they're falling behind, struggling, and many look for an easy target to blame. The current Republican Party plays that victim card hard, and the former President does the same. There's the appeal there too. It's unfortunate that so many are taking a destructive path to resolve these issues rather than a constructive one. Tear it all down, strongarm and force others to do what you want, that sort of thing. Because that's not democracy, that's authoritarianism. Some folks legitimately want this, and for them, the former president is absolutely what they want to see... scary as that is for the rest of us.
We Never Know
No Slack
Yep. And I will add with the riots and looting It's unfortunate that so many took a destructive path to resolve those issues rather than a constructive one. Tear it all down, burn it down, loot it all, etc.
Its even sadder some used them for cover just to do those things.
People get with a group and get hell bent on doing whatever the group decides to do.
Hope nothing of those sorts get born from Trumps convictions.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Right now the economy is a greater concern than woman's rights unfortunately for many. If people could reason rationally that would not be a problem, but Trump is a liar and too many people want to believe his lies about the economy. One thing that gives me hope when it comes to polls is that in regards to abortion rights they have not been very accurate lately. That may be because too many women feel the presence of their spouse or mate when answering polls. It seems that they answer polls one way and vote anothe.
At any rate it is time to try to educate the American people on economics and where Trump's changes were bringing us.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's equally concerning as to the type of laws that makes a person a felon over an act that shouldn't be even be a felony in the first place.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, the problem is that I don't see anything in the Constitution about that. So if a state makes something a felon and it is within the Constitution, then it is a felon.
I thought you are pro-law.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Not when law turns into an out of control juggernaut. There are so many laws now that people can no longer accurately count as to how many are on the books and it's hard to see how people can go through life without incurring violation of any law that if desired, that person can be prosecuted.
Nature had an estimate close to 50 thousand laws. (49,746 as of 2022).
A comprehensive dataset of U.S. federal laws (1789–2022) - Scientific Data
U.S. federal laws figure importantly in many research projects in political science, law, sociology, economics, and other disciplines. Despite their prominence, there is no authoritative, current, and comprehensive dataset of U.S. federal laws. In part, this is because such laws have been...
Remember Ayn Rand?
Notable quote.....
There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Ayn Rand
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Not when law turns into an out of control juggernaut. There are so many laws now that people can no longer accurately count as to how many are on the books and it's hard to see how people can go through life without incurring violation of any law that if desired, that person can be prosecuted.
Nature had an estimate close to 50 thousand laws. (49,746 as of 2022).
A comprehensive dataset of U.S. federal laws (1789–2022) - Scientific Data
U.S. federal laws figure importantly in many research projects in political science, law, sociology, economics, and other disciplines. Despite their prominence, there is no authoritative, current, and comprehensive dataset of U.S. federal laws. In part, this is because such laws have been...www.nature.com
Remember Ayn Rand?
Notable quote.....
There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Ayn Rand
Yeah, that is your ideology and not a fact.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Yes. Nelson Mandela was in prison.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. It's fact. But of course you can simply remain deluded about the facts.