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should all history books be destroyed and forgotten?

kloth

Active Member
for a few reasons.
1. we have no proof how history really went down. how many people have rewrote history books for their own personal needs in the past? what proof do we have that the original documents are 100% factual?

2. how many people are still angry about certain things in the past? a past that happened decades or centuries before they were even born? but they belief what they are taught 100%.

some say the history books has not been altered. but why not? even some books with even more serious content like certain bibles have had some changes. so what's to stop that being done to history books as well?

maybe it would be best to go by a history with more proof. like when we started using photography or video to document history better. if you believe seeing is better than just believing.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Trolol?
Anthropology, archeology, and historians are very rigiourus. We have lots of evidence.
 

kloth

Active Member
Trolol?
Anthropology, archeology, and historians are very rigiourus. We have lots of evidence.
i don't know what trolol means?
Anthropology, archeology, and historians are very rigorous? unless you know them personally, then it's only speculation, or perhaps wishful thinking.
the only evidence we have is what we are told in writing.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
For me the past is the past, I wouldn't let the past rule my life such as religion documents and scripture, I live here and NOW, and that's where i'll always be.
 

kloth

Active Member
For me the past is the past, I wouldn't let the past rule my life such as religion documents and scripture, I live here and NOW, and that's where i'll always be.
that's a good belief i believe. however, many still let the past rule their communities, families, them self when it comes to political and social awareness history. sometimes to extremes and for their entire life practically.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
that's a good belief i believe. however, many still let the past rule their communities, families, them self when it comes to political and social awareness history. sometimes to extremes and for their entire life practically.

Yes that's so true, and its so sad also.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
This is a silly thread. There are videos of vegetables dancing on YouTube that are far more intelligent and interesting than this.

That being said, because the OP is so obviously compelling, I think that we who agree should break our fingers and never, ever get online ever again.

And giving up coffee would be constructive.
 
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Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
No, history books should not be destroyed. However I wouldn't mind if people were more familiar with how academic study of history works.

In anthropology (history, archaeology, etc) a major part of education is teaching the students to determine whether a source is trustworthy or not. This is pretty much what all research is based on and there are entire books written about source criticism for various areas of study. Part of learning this is also the acceptance that however objective we try to be, we're only human and always looking at things through our own cultural and personal filter. This doesn't mean people don't try their best, but they also learn not to accept their interpretation as the absolute and unchanging truth. Laypeople easily forget this, which then leads to some having a wrong image of what academic research is all about.

As for history books, I obviously can't summarize the vast quantities of writings about why the facts you read are trustworthy, but I'll take up a couple of things that are worth mentioning. The first is peer review. One thing peer review does is ensures that publications have valid sources, i.e. what previous writings or original research the writer has been using. Scientific tests are expected to pass peer review in order to be deemed as trusted.

Another I like to bring up are the original sources (archaeological finds, ancient texts, etc) are used in scientific research. I'm fairly familiar with archaeological methods, which is why I'll use it as an example. The methods are somewhat different when we're talking about written texts. In archaeology, the archaeologist is expected to document their findings in a way that can be identically replicated by anyone. Since archaeological sites can be studied only once before the original order of the finds is destroyed, there are rigid rules for documenting everything, including the earth type next to the items, the depth the item was found in, and so on. This way anyone can go through the whole process and make their own interpretations depending on the finds. And trust me, there are lots of interpretations that will be presented as solid facts in main stream media. The point is that that's okay, because as any scientific field, archaeology goes forward all the time and we gain new information that changes our perception of the past.

As for your question on whether we know a document is 100% factual, the answer is: it varies. I've already mentioned source criticism, which includes being aware of the prejudices at the time of the writing of the text. Surprisingly few texts were even written to be taken as true in the sense we now think of the term. People took liberties, often for political purposes, sometimes as an artistic measure and at other times they were simply quoting someone else who had their facts wrong for whatever reason. Because texts were copied by hand they also inevitably changed over the years. Sometimes sources were started to be copied even before they were finished. Nowadays researchers have ways of tracking down these changes in order to get a fairly reliable approximation of older manuscripts. This yet again doesn't mean our current understanding of something is 100% reliable, only that we're getting better and better at getting there.

As a matter of fact, even videos or similar documentation will never be able to convey the full, objective truth of the past. There are always parts of the puzzle missing and new interpretations coming in. There are no absolute truths even in the now. There is always speculation going on on the news, theories of what someone was thinking. The pieces of truth are spread all over humanity and all you'll ever see anywhere is simply the approximation.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Since we're doomed to repeat history, I want to study what will happen.
Keep the history books.
 
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maninthewilderness

optimistic skeptic
Hmmm, this question is not as simple as it appears.

Humankind might actually be better off if everyone could magically be made to forget the past.

No old wrongs to right, no old grudges to hold, no old feuds to fight, no history of the victors and the losers, no history of the enslaved and those who enslaved, no history of the conquered and the conquers, no history of the oppressed and the oppressors...

It would be very interesting to say the least.

But humans have a natural curiosity about their origins and their past and where their people came from.
And when humans see ancient ruins, or dig up something created by man, they want to know about those ancient civilizations and those ancient ancestors.
It's just human nature.

So if all the history books were destroyed people would immediately start making new history books.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
for a few reasons.
1. we have no proof how history really went down. how many people have rewrote history books for their own personal needs in the past? what proof do we have that the original documents are 100% factual?

2. how many people are still angry about certain things in the past? a past that happened decades or centuries before they were even born? but they belief what they are taught 100%.

some say the history books has not been altered. but why not? even some books with even more serious content like certain bibles have had some changes. so what's to stop that being done to history books as well?

maybe it would be best to go by a history with more proof. like when we started using photography or video to document history better. if you believe seeing is better than just believing.

No, for one reason;

"The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false." -- Paul Johnson
British Roman Catholic journalist, historian, speechwriter and author
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
for a few reasons.
1. we have no proof how history really went down. how many people have rewrote history books for their own personal needs in the past? what proof do we have that the original documents are 100% factual?

2. how many people are still angry about certain things in the past? a past that happened decades or centuries before they were even born? but they belief what they are taught 100%.

some say the history books has not been altered. but why not? even some books with even more serious content like certain bibles have had some changes. so what's to stop that being done to history books as well?

maybe it would be best to go by a history with more proof. like when we started using photography or video to document history better. if you believe seeing is better than just believing.

Traditionally, destroying history books has been the customary duty of those politicians, pundits, and preachers who are gravely alarmed at the book's contents. Are you sure there's enough room for you in that crowd?
 

kloth

Active Member
This is a silly thread. There are videos of vegetables dancing on YouTube that are far more intelligent and interesting than this.

That being said, because the OP is so obviously compelling, I think that we who agree should break our fingers and never, ever get online ever again.

And giving up coffee would be constructive.

Since we're doomed to repeat history, I want to study what will happen.
Keep the history books.

History is one of the most important subjects around. End of story.

Absolutely not. I feel history book provide tremendous insight into understanding the Human Ego.
youtube does a better job at that than history books that were made before the video age.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
No, they should not.

for a few reasons.
1. we have no proof how history really went down. how many people have rewrote history books for their own personal needs in the past? what proof do we have that the original documents are 100% factual?

We do not. But we do our best, and often books from alternate, even conflicting sources are available to help in building a more accurate perception.

Not being 100% reliable is no more of a reason to dispose of History books than it is to dispose of one's own eyes (which are not 100% reliable either).


2. how many people are still angry about certain things in the past? a past that happened decades or centuries before they were even born? but they belief what they are taught 100%.

The solution for that is to teach questioning and healthy approaches to certainty and doubt, not to attempt to breed ignorance.


some say the history books has not been altered. but why not? even some books with even more serious content like certain bibles have had some changes. so what's to stop that being done to history books as well?

Nothing. And that is a significant part of History in and of itself. :)

maybe it would be best to go by a history with more proof. like when we started using photography or video to document history better. if you believe seeing is better than just believing.

Documentaries are quite easy to falsify and even easier to make in a biased way. Not sure why you see any advantage.
 

desideraht

Hellspawn
youtube does a better job at that than history books that were made before the video age.
Disagree. We can look back at how people thought back then and compare it to now. It gives us insight on how world issues, technology, environment etc. affect the Human Ego. How Man describes himself is what is valuable about it, not necessarily the stories being told, as their accuracy is definitely up for question.
 
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