Should Biden take drug tests for the POTUS debates?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Sorry, don't answer loaded polls.

However, I would ask if you (@anotherneil) or any other member knows of a drug that can be shown to be "performance enhancing" for intelligence-related tasks. Perhaps caffeine (Trump loves his cola, and that's loaded with caffeine)?

In other words -- which drugs, if any, should BOTH candidates be tested for (because the answer to the poll can never be only one of them)?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

This isn't an athletic contest. I am more concerned that one of the candidates can manage the debate, not how they manage it.

 

[anotherneil]

Grow up and come back when you are vaguely worthy of your avatar.

I'm not going to report this post or block you for now, since you posted this before I warned you.

You may be sincere, but you are failing at presenting your questions to a wider audience,

Off topic; I might be willing to discuss this in another thread that's appropriate for introducing or interviewing me.

 

[Pogo]

OK, maybe you are an adult, that was not an attempt at an ad hom, but only a comment that maybe you should take a course in how to ask questions that are not leading to a particular answer, In this case, I do not believe that you are asking intentionally leading questions but

 

[Pogo]

OK, software issues, I will attempt to continue my response, do not consider it complete.

 

[anotherneil]

Bull****. If the test comes back and shows no drugs in his system they will just say the test was rigged. They say everything is rigged.

Then the burden's on them, obviously, to back such a claim.

Let me ask you this:


Before the debate should Donald Trump be required to prove whether or not he is wearing a diaper?

• Yes, It is important that the public knows whether or not Trump wears a diaper
• Yes, but only if both candidates prove their diaper status
• Depends brand adult diapers
• No, because this is stupid and irrelevant and we should concentrate on the important issues.

False choice fallacy - you didn't list all possible options; for example, you didn't list that Trump must do this if and only if Biden must also do this.

If you want to demand that Trump or Biden must prove whether or not they're wearing diapers, then go ahead.

Does wearing a diaper have an impact on performance as POTUS the way being on performance enhancement drugs could have? If you give a good explanation for why it does, then I'll join you in demanding that both Trump and Biden must prove whether or not they wear diapers. For now, I see no way that wearing a diaper can affect their performance as POTUS.

 

[Pogo]

OK, software issues, I will attempt to continue my response, do not consider it complete.

 

[Pogo]

Wrong; I've seen plenty of footage of his behavior for myself, and it's not "right wing media", "maga media" or anyone else who's lying to me about it. I don't trust "right wing media" or "maga media" anymore than any other mainstream or Leftist media.

The possibility are as follows, for either Trump or Biden:
1. The candidate is getting drugged up and refuses to take the test; voters will make their decision about how that impacts them.
2. The candidate is getting drugged up, takes the test, and it shows a positive result.
3. The candidate is not getting drugged up, and if they're dependent on it, their performance during the debate will show this.
4. The candidate is not getting drugged up, and if they're not dependent on it, then they have nothing to worry about.

Look up have you stopped beating your wife fallacy. seriously

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Calls for Biden to take drug tests immediately before and after the POTUS debates are being made to determine if he has taken any performance enhancing substances:
...

MAGA calls and your complicity pretty much tell us all we need to know about this garbage ...

 

[anotherneil]

Sorry, don't answer loaded polls.

You're attacking a straw man; this thread poll is not loaded. There's an option for "Other", so it's not even a false choice poll, either.

However, I would ask if you (@anotherneil) or any other member knows of a drug that can be shown to be "performance enhancing" for intelligence-related tasks. Perhaps caffeine (Trump loves his cola, and that's loaded with caffeine)?

In other words -- which drugs, if any, should BOTH candidates be tested for (because the answer to the poll can never be only one of them)?

This is a fairly good question & I'd be curious myself about the answer to it. I, myself, am not an expert on substances, and I don't think the assertion is that anyone is taking illegal substances (well, I have to say, given that cocaine was found in the White House under the Biden administration, I'm not sure this is necessarily true); I think the idea is that it's something analogous to athletes or body builders taking steroids.

This could be resolved by a drug test, if it shows a positive result and what the drug is; then people can look up what the drug is and what it does.

It won't matter if Trump and Biden take drug tests and they're both negative, though.

Too bad for RFK, Jr. if he'd be willing to take a drug test.

 

[anotherneil]

This isn't an athletic contest. I am more concerned that one of the candidates can manage the debate, not how they manage it.

It's not about being an athletic contest.

 

[anotherneil]

OK, software issues, I will attempt to continue my response, do not consider it complete.

I'll wait until your software issues are fixed; let me know when they're fixed.

 

[Pogo]

Then the burden's on them, obviously, to back such a claim.


False choice fallacy - you didn't list all possible options; for example, you didn't list that Trump must do this if and only if Biden must also do this.

If you want to demand that Trump or Biden must prove whether or not they're wearing diapers, then go ahead.

Does wearing a diaper have an impact on performance as POTUS the way being on performance enhancement drugs could have? If you give a good explanation for why it does, then I'll join you in demanding that both Trump and Biden must prove whether or not they wear diapers. For now, I see no way that wearing a diaper can affect their performance as POTUS.

Nor should my being prescribed stimulants by established doctors in concordance with established norms be relevant anymore than my prescription for blood thinners as a senior citizen.
And on top of this, there is no evidence that this claim is reality.
Your argument is based on emotion not reality.
A typical situation amongst those who have not lived long enough to recognize the difference.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

It's not about being an athletic contest.

What I meant was that in an athletic contest, the point is to see what the athletes can do without drugs. For me, the debate is a way to gauge not just the candidates' stances and knowledge on policy, but also how they handle the situation. To me, it is irrelevant if they use drugs or not.

 

[Pogo]

This thread isn't about me.

You may use my intro thread for stuff like this: Hi

Or, I suppose you can start a thread to interview me, here: The Interview Place

It is about you because you are making the unsubstantiated claims and we are asking you to justify them.

 

[anotherneil]

MAGA calls and your complicity pretty much tell us all we need to know about this garbage ...

"MAGA" (as you put it) is making a legitimate call that I can't argue with.

This is an online forum for posting such polls.

Who's "we"? If it's your position that this is garbage, then you're only speaking for yourself, no one else, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

"MAGA" (as you put it) is making a legitimate call that I can't argue with.

... and we still haven't seen Obama's birth certificate.

What a MAGA conduit can or cannot argue with is of zero interest to me.

 

[Pogo]

"MAGA" (as you put it) is making a legitimate call that I can't argue with.

This is an online forum for posting such polls.

Who's "we"? If it's your position that this is garbage, then you're only speaking for yourself, no one else, as far as I'm concerned.

I think I see the problem, you wish to present yourself as the ambivalent interlocutor, as much as you try, you are not perceived as such.

Deal with it as you will as you are not entirely ambivalent and welcome to "forums"

 

[anotherneil]

What I meant was that in an athletic contest, the point is to see what the athletes can do without drugs.

And generally that's about drugs for enhancing physical performance in sports.

In this case, it's about drugs for enhancing mental performance in politics.

At least in sports the only losses are trophies, medals, a prize payment, a record in sports history, but not something that affects the personal lives of voters and their families.

For me, the debate is a way to gauge not just the candidates' stances and knowledge on policy, but also how they handle the situation. To me, it is irrelevant if they use drugs or not.

This is about cheating; do you want this for the individual with access to the nuclear button?

Would it be irrelevant to you if your physician got their medical degree by cheating on tests, or the engineer who designed the vehicles or planes you travel in by cheating on their tests?

 

[Viker]

No. Since Trump is a convicted felon, he should and will be getting regular drug tests.