Should firearm and defensive training be controlled by government?

[Reverend Rick]

Many private individuals can obtain better training than the police or the military now. These defense schools teach the art of using rifles and handguns to their optimum advantages.

They also teach an individual how to turn every day items into deadly force weapons.

Should civilians be able to purchase such training?

 

[McBell]

{sarcasm}
Hell no it should not be allowed!!
What happens when someone with this training goes on a rampage?
If they had not had the training, they would not be able to kill as many people.
So this type of training should not be allowed.
{/sarcasm}

 

[Reverend Rick]

Perhaps when retired swat officers or Navy seals complete their service to this country they should be incarcerated for all of our safety. I guess we should detain any explosive experts working in the mining industry as well. They could do something or teach something in their spare time.

 

[yossarian22]

Perhaps when retired swat officers or Navy seals complete their service to this country they should be incarcerated for all of our safety. I guess we should detain any explosive experts working in the mining industry as well. They could do something or teach something in their spare time.

Reminds me of a new EU policy which bans "terrorist propaganda and training material" from the internet. Bomb-making instruction is also illegal under that umbrella plan. Heh. Guess we had better start burning Chemistry textbooks as well.

 

[Random]

Of course civilians should be able to access this training. Proper martial-arts dojos should teach broader forms of self-defense too.

 

[Valjean]

It is important that the government fear the governed, rather than vice versa.
A passive and impotent populace invites tyranny.

 

[rojse]

{sarcasm}
Hell no it should not be allowed!!
What happens when someone with this training goes on a rampage?
If they had not had the training, they would not be able to kill as many people.
So this type of training should not be allowed.
{/sarcasm}

What is the sarcasm for? It seems like a valid point.

And, I could be wrong about this, but aren't those receiving training have their psychiatric history examined, and those in the military have a complete psychological examination? Although it may not filter out all of the people that go on rampages, it should get some of those people in the net?

 

[McBell]

What is the sarcasm for? It seems like a valid point.

And, I could be wrong about this, but aren't those receiving training have their psychiatric history examined, and those in the military have a complete psychological examination? Although it may not filter out all of the people that go on rampages, it should get some of those people in the net?

then they steal the training from those who have not locked it up and use it for evil...

 

[rojse]

then they steal the training from those who have not locked it up and use it for evil...

I do not get your reply. Please elaborate.

From what I am aware of about gun training, I thought it was all about safe firearm storage, safe handling practice, licencing requirements, and so forth. Surely these are things that we want all gun-owners to be well-aware of.

I am not sure if your our understanding of firearm training is different, because we live in different countries (Australia, for me), so tell me what your understanding of firearm training is.

In Australia, firearm training is done privately, but there are numerous government regulations for it, such as receipts, government standards and so forth.

 

[kadzbiz]

The more the populace gets armed, the more the populace gets harmed. Period.

 

[yossarian22]

I am not sure if your our understanding of firearm training is different, because we live in different countries (Australia, for me), so tell me what your understanding of firearm training is.

He refers to military-esque training.

 

[rojse]

He refers to military-esque training.

Oh.

Why would anyone need that, apart from military personnel?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Oh.

Why would anyone need that, apart from military personnel?

Some folks have the mindset to receive training beyond the basics.

Yes you start out with gun safety and basic marksmanship.

Advanced classes teach you everything from survival and hand to hand combat to shooting on the run, force on force shooting techniques, point shooting, speed reloading, footwork, cover techniques, flanking maneuvers and such.

Situational awareness and advance plans of action. It builds confidence and gives you a fighting chance to prevail.

It's not all about guns, a well trained person could survive a deadly confrontation with just a small flashlight or evasive maneuvers. It makes you aware of potential dangers and how to avoid them in the first place. The ability to not become a target for crime as most criminals like to prey on the weak and unprepared.

Some times all the difference in the world is just paying attention, walking with a spring in our step and holding your head high.

With the right training, an old person with an umbrella could whip some serious butt after receiving special instruction.

 

[rojse]

Some folks have the mindset to receive training beyond the basics.

Yes you start out with gun safety and basic marksmanship.

Advanced classes teach you everything from survival and hand to hand combat to shooting on the run, force on force shooting techniques, point shooting, speed reloading, footwork, cover techniques, flanking maneuvers and such.

Situational awareness and advance plans of action. It builds confidence and gives you a fighting chance to prevail.

It's not all about guns, a well trained person could survive a deadly confrontation with just a small flashlight or evasive maneuvers. It makes you aware of potential dangers and how to avoid them in the first place. The ability to not become a target for crime as most criminals like to prey on the weak and unprepared.

Some times all the difference in the world is just paying attention, walking with a spring in our step and holding your head high.

With the right training, an old person with an umbrella could whip some serious butt after receiving special instruction.

I can understand why someone in a military combat zone would require such training - the government is paying them to kill other people, and we do not want soldiers dying needlessly. Same for specialist forces, such as SWAT or such. All of the conditions that I could envision such training as a necessity are in government-based areas, or contractors that are paid to work for the government. In both cases, training should be provided by the governmeent.

What I do not understand is why people outside of such conditions would require the same training.

 

[yossarian22]

I can understand why someone in a military combat zone would require such training - the government is paying them to kill other people, and we do not want soldiers dying needlessly. Same for specialist forces, such as SWAT or such. All of the conditions that I could envision such training as a necessity are in government-based areas, or contractors that are paid to work for the government. In both cases, training should be provided by the governmeent.

What I do not understand is why people outside of such conditions would require the same training.

Private contractors would want such training.

 

[McBell]

What I do not understand is why people outside of such conditions would require the same training.

I wanted it because my father was one of the instructors.

 

[Aasimar]

It is important that the government fear the governed, rather than vice versa.
A passive and impotent populace invites tyranny.

Yeah, what he said. I couldn't phrase it better.

 

[Reverend Rick]

What I do not understand is why people outside of such conditions would require the same training.

Um, let me see. My wife and daughter have a higher situational awareness and do not present themselves as targets to be preyed upon. This training is not all about guns and knives rojse.

My daughter has never held a gun much less fired it, but she could blind her attacker and temporarily immobilise him with a few simple defense techniques.

What is wrong with someone learning advanced self defense techniques?

 

[rojse]

Private contractors would want such training.

I did mention that, the government could provide training, could it not?

 

[rojse]

Um, let me see. My wife and daughter have a higher situational awareness and do not present themselves as targets to be preyed upon. This training is not all about guns and knives rojse.

My daughter has never held a gun much less fired it, but she could blind her attacker and temporarily immobilise him with a few simple defense techniques.

What is wrong with someone learning advanced self defense techniques?

I don't present myself as a target, because I practice sensible behaviour when walking about at night. I walk in brightly lit areas, in crowds, not in dark alleys, and so forth. It works just as well.

The techniques that you mention do not seem to be simple to me. Flanking requires several different people to be working at once. All of them require proficiency and practice with weapons, and to be carrying them at all times when you are walking about. It hardly seems simple to me, and it doesn't to the instructors if they can get others to pay thousands of dollars for basic instruction.