So one regular poster equates to the whole of Islam and Muslims.
I did not say that at all.
You've got to do better than that.
No. YOU are going to have to do better. For starters, you could not put words in my mouth.
I find Muslims at least majority I've encountered to be very defensive of Islam because they have to be. Plenty of atheists and Christians (and some Jews) that bombard Muslim websites with hateful rhetoric post 9-11. You guys are no different than the Muslims you complain about because I've seen an exchange of hate go both ways.
"you guys"? Who are you talking about?
Alos, I notice you explicitly removed this sentence from my post:
I'll also note that this is not my experience at all with muslims I meet in real life.
Why?
Interesting. I've seen some combative Christians on here antagonizing Muslims. Maybe our radar didn't pick it up because of an internal bias against Islam you have in your cognition. It is easy to overlook a display of hatred against Muslims when your own biases block you from seeing the wrong in others.
No. I'm talking in %.
From the total set, from my observation, a smaller portion of the christians include "hostilities" in their postings- in general, not just towards any particular group.
Once more: this is just my observation on this very limited and not-representative population on RF.
Only a handful of muslims post here as well, so the sample set is far to small anyway to take any kind of meaningful stat from it.
If no Muslim has displayed hatred of combative attitudes towards you in real life you shouldn't be on the internet especially discussion forums making generalizations of what YOU DIDN'T SEE EXPERIENCE IN YOUR OWN LIFE outside the forum.
I'm not making any generalizations. That's what you made of it.
That's on you, not me.
As I've mentioned previously, I've met some hateful atheists in my time (well hateful people period) but clearly I do not think atheism as a belief/philosophy is the culprit of the attitudes of the people I've encountered, rather it is the individuals themselves
That would be obvious, since there is no such thing as "atheist belief" or "philosophy".
There is nothing in atheism that promotes any kind of belief or behavior, since atheism is explicitly the lack of certain specific philosophies that do such a thing.
HOWEVER, this is not the case in theism. Theism DOES come with sets of doctrines, beliefs and philosophies, which ultimately translate into behavior.
And when we look at the actual statistics... we can see that violent and hostile militia's are
vastly more common in Islam as opposed to christianity. Even more worrying imo, is the stats of those that are not part of those violent circles, but who
sympathize with them or who, instead of flat out condemning them, only condemn them followed by a "but....."
If you add them up, you end up with very disturbing numbers. Still minorities, sure, but nevertheless numbering in the 100 million worldwide. Certainly not the majority, but far too big a minority to just brush aside like that. There's too much of it to simply not even ask the question what it is in or about Islam that promotes or motivates such behavior or mindset.
Speaking on anecdotes I went to the store for my neighbor who smokes cigarettes and a Muslim family owns smoke shop down the street from my house. They always greet me with As'Salaamu Alaikum and ask me how I'm doing. I've never worried about them asking me to convert or tell me hatreful things about my belief. Worse thing they've done was offer me a copy of the Qur'an and said no more (Far from a people associated with Daaesch e.g. "Islamic State").
Cool. So?
I already told you everything you need to know about my opinion about that, but you choose to ignore that sentence and didn't even include it in your quoting. It kind of undermines your entire accusation at my address.
Ok yet out of the 41 years of existing on this planet no Muslim has harmed you because of your lack of faith unlike what you're insinuating here.
Not me. Several hundreds of others, yes.
Some of the guys I have known over the years include Salah Abdeslam and his buddy Abdelhamid Abaoud. I'm in fact pretty sure I bought weed from him through a middle guy.
Then there's also Fouad Belkacem with his "Shariah4Belgium" from Antwerp, where he was hanging out with his "recruits" whom he convinced to go to Syria.
This is the crew that came back from Syria and killed hundreds in Paris and Brussels.
When I knew Salah and Abdelhamid, they weren't radicals though. They were insignificant street thugs who loved to party. Great fun to be around when you're a kid. They don't give a f... about anything. But no good can come of it, off course.
Then they radicalized. There is no doubt that their fundamentalist islamic beliefs is what motivated them to do what they did. I wasn't around anymore to witness what it did with them, but I was around in Antwerp when Belkacem was doing his thing. Everybody knew it was bad news. Unfortunately, most didn't see in time just how bad it was going to get.
The observation of truth can have a subjective presentation when one is observing behavior. If I observe and judge someone based on the principles of their faith and their obligations as someone who observe their laws then surely I'll base their behavior upon the rules of their religion.
In that case, Salah Abdeslam and Abdelhamid Abaoud, were "true muslims", as they absolutely observed the principles of their faith.
@Conscious thoughts by the same token is a "true muslim" as well, as he to observes the principles of
his faith.
If I meet a Muslim who prays five times a day, goes to Jummah, pays the charitable tax rate, believes in One God, angels, Djinn etc and is consistent and is just a down to earth person I observe their religious "trueness" based off their behavior in comparison to the destructive behavior that I see with people of the Taliban or Islamic state or any other Muslim.
Sounds to me that what you are calling a "true muslim" here, doesn't amount to much more then that which you
like better.
A taliban dude might call the person you refer to as a "true muslim", a "kafir", because he congregates and makes friends with the enemies of islam.
Like I said observable "trueness" can be subjective just as someone who proclaims a cop to be "good" because they point out bad cops. We make these inferences everyday by referring to someone as "good" or "true" to their nature because we observe the qualities they display.
Then that is just a subjective opinion.
