Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel?

[Pink Top Hat]

Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel?

The question is

Would God want a nuclear armed athiest zionist entity controlling the Holy Land of Muslims Christians and Jews?

I think not

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Just so I understand where you are taking this and by which standards you are judging familiarity with the Qur'an. What is your criteria for basic or good knowledge of the Qur'an, and where do you personally stand in relation to that criteria?

First. Israeli society has millions of Jews who are Middle Eastern, ergo, people who have lived in the Near East since the dawn of history.
Secondly, considering Ashkenazi relation to the Khazar Khaganate. Lets assume for a minute that Ashkenazi Jews are descendants from the Khazars. So what of it? The Khazars were a remarkable people. By the standards of history an empire. And just like many kingdoms and people converted to Christianity, and many other nations and tribes converted to Islam, the Khazar royalty and elite converted to Judaism. Is there any shame in that? I don't find anything shameful in that personally, only an enigmatic part of history. Unexplored seriously by most people, but on the other hand extensively exploited in pseudo-history in a superficial way to justify political agendas.
The historical fact is of course, that Khazar genes are only a relatively small portion of the Ashkenazi background which is largely connected to the Rhineland area and of course also traces to the Middle East, and Middle Eastern Jews, and also other Middle Eastern communities, such as the Palestinians.

< What reson would I have to judge anyone holy Book , Just because one have knowldge of something doesn't mean one Judgeing . I havn't been program against anyone Religious Belief's , Just because I may diagree , see things diffrently . I'm not judgeing that person . Judgeing one by their Religious Belief's is Ignorance . How would you explain The Holy Qur'aan 20 ; 128 . Oh by no means am I Cliaming to know everything about Islam or Christianity .

 

[Asante]

And of course, the DNA tests that link us to Mizrahim and Sephardim are ALL a bunch of Zionist lies.

:no:

The only genetics test that been conducted on general ANCIENT Egyptian (old and middle Kingdom) remains is going to be released this year and I have seen the preview of those results from someone close to the source...and those results are black Africans. The earliest Old Kingdom (and Pre-Dynastic) specimens showed a Nilotic (Dinka, Nuer, ect) affinity which was directly followed by a primary affinity of peoples most closely related to modern day West and Central Africans (during the pyramid age) and then Horn African (Somali type) affinities begin to be dominant. I can post the preview now if you'd like and then create thread on the results when the study is officially published!

MODERN Egyptians are distinct from ancient Egyptians because they are a mixture of Mediterranean, European and Arab blood (with some remnant of their original black African blood) and anthropology has proven that for some time now:

"In Libya, which is mostly desert and oasis, there is a visible Negroid element in the sedentary populations, and at the same is true of the Fellahin of Egypt, whether Copt or Muslim. Osteological studies have shown that the Negroid element was stronger in predynastic times than at present, reflecting an early movement northward along the banks of the Nile, which were then heavily forested." (Encyclopedia Britannica 1984 ed. "Populations, Human")

"Cosmopolitan northern Egypt is less likely to have a population representative of the core indigenous
population of the most ancient times&#8220;
&#8211; Keita 2005. History in Africa, 2005, 32(1).221-246

Several royal mummies have been tested already, and with the exception of one late Dynastic mummy (Greek/Roman era) every one of them were found to be Sub Saharan Africans (from Tut to Ramses III):

"Results indicated the autosomal STR profiles of the Amarna period mummies were most frequent in modern populations in several parts of Africa. These results are based on the 8 STR markers for which these pharaonic mummies have been tested, which allow a preliminary geographical analysis for these individuals who lived in Egypt during the Amarna period of the 14th century BCE. Although results do not necessarily suggest exclusively African ancestry, geographical analysis suggests ancestral links with neighboring populations in Africa for the studied pharaonic mummies." --Genetic Analysis of Amarna Mummies (2012) DNA Tribes Digest, January 2012, 1-10

and

---SNP Report for Example Egyptian (2011) DNA Tribes Digest, January 2011, 1-2 shows that modern Egyptian samples (1) and (2) show affinities with Middle Eastern groups, indicating that the moderns are not like some ancients, who cluster more with Africans.

Make no mistake the ancient Egyptians of the bible or unmistakable BLACK! The bible makes it clear several times that the Hebrews had a phenotype that was basically indistinguishable from the black Egyptians. In fact much evidence suggest that the original Hebrews ORIGINATED in Upper Egypt (near Sudan) and migrated into modern day Israel as a result of the EXODUS.

The links for these sources will come as soon as I pass my 15 post mark.

 

[Caladan]

< What reson would I have to judge anyone holy Book , Just because one have knowldge of something doesn't mean one Judgeing . I havn't been program against anyone Religious Belief's , Just because I may diagree , see things diffrently . I'm not judgeing that person . Judgeing one by their Religious Belief's is Ignorance .

I have no idea what the above means, as I said nothing about judging anyone's religious beliefs. I simply asked what is your criteria for familiarity with the Qur'an, so I would know better what you inquire, for example you could have meant someone who read the entire Qur'an, someone who read it several or many times and studied it to various extents, someone who studied the Qur'an academically, etc.

How would you explain The Holy Qur'aan 20 ; 128 . Oh by no means am I Cliaming to know everything about Islam or Christianity .

I have no desire or agenda to explain Ayah 128 in Surah 20. In my opinion the entire Surah gives a simplified version of Biblical events to the Muslim reader and passes on important and instrumental Jewish traditions about the exodus, event preluding the exodus, and events during the exodus.

 

[Caladan]

How did we jump from discussing Islamic scriptures and Jewish presence in Israel to the ancient Egyptians and Black Africans?

 

[Asante]

First. Israeli society has millions of Jews who are Middle Eastern, ergo, people who have lived in the Near East since the dawn of history.
Secondly, considering Ashkenazi relation to the Khazar Khaganate. Lets assume for a minute that Ashkenazi Jews are descendants from the Khazars. So what of it? The Khazars were a remarkable people. By the standards of history an empire. And just like many kingdoms and people converted to Christianity, and many other nations and tribes converted to Islam, the Khazar royalty and elite converted to Judaism. Is there any shame in that? I don't find anything shameful in that personally, only an enigmatic part of history. Unexplored seriously by most people, but on the other hand extensively exploited in pseudo-history in a superficial way to justify political agendas.
The historical fact is of course, that Khazar genes are only a relatively small portion of the Ashkenazi background which is largely connected to the Rhineland area and of course also traces to the Middle East, and Middle Eastern Jews, and also other Middle Eastern communities, such as the Palestinians.

So because they come from a "prestigious" kingdom (Khazaria) what does that entitle them to? Now this isn't hate speech, but rather just pointing out some facts to get the best answer to the questions. The bible mentions that the there will be "fake Jew"..."the synagog of Satan" how they are referred to in the bible..Modern day Israel was created on the premise that those Jewish converts who went through the Holocaust are somehow entitled to the land of Israel through their biblical lineage. That is their justification for stealing from, slaughtering and oppressing (you got to call it as you see it) Palestinians who were already there. The turmoil in the Middle East is almost solely due to Israel, is it not IS THAT NOT WHAT THE BIBLE FORETOLD... The indiscriminate bombing and GASSING of the Palestinians...BABIES "Synagog of Satan"? Time to wake up folks!

 

[Asante]

How did we jump from discussing Islamic scriptures and Jewish presence in Israel to the ancient Egyptians and Black Africans?

Because Shermana insisted that because of the genetic ties between the contemporaries of Egypt and Israel that it somehow proves that the Israelis of today are the descendants of the biblical Hebrews.

 

[Caladan]

So because they come from a "prestigious" kingdom (Khazaria) what does that entitle them to? Now this isn't hate speech, but rather just pointing out some facts to get the best answer to the questions. The bible mentions that the there will be "fake Jew"..."the synagog of Satan" how they are referred to in the bible..Modern day Israel was created on the premise that those Jewish converts who went through the Holocaust are somehow entitled to the land of Israel through their biblical lineage. That is their justification for stealing from, slaughtering and oppressing (you got to call it as you see it) Palestinians who were already there. The turmoil in the Middle East is almost solely due to Israel, is it not IS THAT NOT WHAT THE BIBLE FORETOLD... The indiscriminate bombing and GASSING of the Palestinians...BABIES "Synagog of Satan"? Time to wake up folks!

I have no idea what the gibberish above is supposed to mean.

 

[Asante]

I have no idea what the gibberish above is supposed to mean.

Don't you read the bible? It is foretold that there will be "FAKE JEWS" and it refers to those Jews as "the Synagog of Satan" hence they will do BAD THINGS!. Stealing Palestine from the Palestinians, STEALING IS BAD. Are the Palestinians supposed to just take this? The only people who seem to support this abomination is the U.S. and Britain (the West), and how they came to support/create this is interesting in itself.

 

[Caladan]

Don't you read the bible? It is foretold that there will be "FAKE JEWS" and it refers to those Jews as "the Synagog of Satan" hence they will do BAD THINGS!. Stealing Palestine from the Palestinians, STEALING IS BAD. Are the Palestinians supposed to just take this? The only people who seem to support this abomination is the U.S. and Britain (the West), and how they came to support/create this is interesting in itself.

Ahha. OK. Whatever helps you sleep better at night honey. It's all good. :kissbette

 

[Shermana]

STEALING IS BAD.

Stealing is bad indeed. Like when the Arabs tried to steal the land the British partitioned for Jewish settlement, especially when the land of "Palestine" was arbitrarily defined by the British in the first place. Other than that, taking land in defensive war is just good strategy, not stealing.

Now I'm sure you're equally concerned about the Arab theft of Kurdish land that the British freely enabled them to, right? Of course you are.

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Don't you read the bible? It is foretold that there will be "FAKE JEWS" and it refers to those Jews as "the Synagog of Satan" hence they will do BAD THINGS!. Stealing Palestine from the Palestinians, STEALING IS BAD. Are the Palestinians supposed to just take this? The only people who seem to support this abomination is the U.S. and Britain (the West), and how they came to support/create this is interesting in itself.

Most here have no knowldge of the Scriptures they cliam to believe in . They're following a new form of religion , Without backing up their cliam with scriptures. Look around more then half the people here post story-lines without scriptures .

And your point is well taken , Because your speaking of Revelation . And it's talking about the people you name plus their bed buddy's .

( 1 ) . The beast rises from the sea this is the beginning of the United Nation . The state of Israel is formed because of it The Beasts . Rev 13 ; 1-6 .
( 2 ) . The beasts wants to kill the holy one . Rev ,13 ; 7.
( 3 ) . All who worship the beast has their name taken out of the Scroll of Life . 13 ; 8 - 10 .

( 4 ) The false prophet arise , Rev 13 ; 11 .
( 5 ) . Israel leads the world in worshipping the U.S. Rev 13 ; 12
( 6 ) . Isreal is given the right to make war with the middle East . Reve 13 ; 13 .
( 7 ) The world mistakenly see Israel as the chosen one . Rev 13 ; 14
( 8 ) . The image of the jew is kept alive . Rev 13 ; 15
( 9 ) Everyone gets the mark of the beast so that they can buy or sell . The mark of the beast is the number of a man . Rev 13 ; 16 -18

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Stealing is bad indeed. Like when the Arabs tried to steal the land the British partitioned for Jewish settlement, especially when the land of "Palestine" was arbitrarily defined by the British in the first place. Other than that, taking land in defensive war is just good strategy, not stealing.

Now I'm sure you're equally concerned about the Arab theft of Kurdish land that the British freely enabled them to, right? Of course you are.

It's amazeing how yall can speak of other Stealing one land and resources etc , And can't see yourself not stealing , Maybe its a diffrent between stealing and takeing .

 

[Asante]

Ahha. OK. Whatever helps you sleep better at night honey. It's all good. :kissbette

I was gonna say the same to you.

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

I have no idea what the above means, as I said nothing about judging anyone's religious beliefs. I simply asked what is your criteria for familiarity with the Qur'an, so I would know better what you inquire, for example you could have meant someone who read the entire Qur'an, someone who read it several or many times and studied it to various extents, someone who studied the Qur'an academically, etc.

I have no desire or agenda to explain Ayah 128 in Surah 20. In my opinion the entire Surah gives a simplified version of Biblical events to the Muslim reader and passes on important and instrumental Jewish traditions about the exodus, event preluding the exodus, and events during the exodus.

Overstand some thing if you can ok if one going to speak / discuss , One Religious belief's , Culture / History , Language Etc Etc . One would think they would take the time to read their Holy scriptures , to get an overstanding of that person Religious belief's . How else are you or anyone for that matter going to have an Overstanding of that person . Religious belief's ,Culture etc etc , ???

The holy Qur'aan 20 ; 128 - 135 Revealed In The Year 612 -613 A.D. Taahaa ( Tuwr l Sinai ( Haaruwn ; Arron ) , Is speaking about , How many generations has The Heavenly Host destroyed - Muhammad told to glorify his Rabb - To command his family with Al Salaat - Muhammad tells the Meccans Everyone is waiting for the signs of El Rabb.

 

[Caladan]

Overstand some thing if you can ok if one going to speak / discuss , One Religious belief's , Culture / History , Language Etc Etc . One would think they would take the time to read their Holy scriptures , to get an overstanding of that person Religious belief's . How else are you or anyone for that matter going to have an Overstanding of that person . Religious belief's ,Culture etc etc , ???

The holy Qur'aan 20 ; 128 - 135 Revealed In The Year 612 -613 A.D. Taahaa ( Tuwr l Sinai ( Haaruwn ; Arron ) , Is speaking about , How many generations has The Heavenly Host destroyed - Muhammad told to glorify his Rabb - To command his family with Al Salaat - Muhammad tells the Meccans Everyone is waiting for the signs of El Rabb.

Again, I have no idea what you are going on and on about. Obviously as I already said I did read the Qur'an.

 

[Caladan]

I was gonna say the same to you.

Hey, I'm not the one loggin in to on line forums and bombard them with hysterical posts about the Synagogue of Satan. Obviously, one of us has some dark fixation, and it ain't me.

 

[Caladan]

I was gonna say the same to you.

Hey, I'm not the one logging in to on line forums and bombard them with hysterical posts about the Synagogue of Satan. Obviously, one of us has some dark fixation, and it ain't me.

 

[Ingledsva]

Most here have no knowldge of the Scriptures they cliam to believe in . They're following a new form of religion , Without backing up their cliam with scriptures. Look around more then half the people here post story-lines without scriptures .

And your point is well taken , Because your speaking of Revelation . And it's talking about the people you name plus their bed buddy's .

( 1 ) . The beast rises from the sea this is the beginning of the United Nation . The state of Israel is formed because of it The Beasts . Rev 13 ; 1-6 .
( 2 ) . The beasts wants to kill the holy one . Rev ,13 ; 7.
( 3 ) . All who worship the beast has their name taken out of the Scroll of Life . 13 ; 8 - 10 .

( 4 ) The false prophet arise , Rev 13 ; 11 .
( 5 ) . Israel leads the world in worshipping the U.S. Rev 13 ; 12
( 6 ) . Isreal is given the right to make war with the middle East . Reve 13 ; 13 .
( 7 ) The world mistakenly see Israel as the chosen one . Rev 13 ; 14
( 8 ) . The image of the jew is kept alive . Rev 13 ; 15
( 9 ) Everyone gets the mark of the beast so that they can buy or sell . The mark of the beast is the number of a man . Rev 13 ; 16 -18

This is just what YOU believe it means.

Christians have been claiming all the signs are "NOW" and the end is here, - since Revelation was written. They have all been wrong.

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[Asante]

Stealing is bad indeed. Like when the Arabs tried to steal the land the British partitioned for Jewish settlement,

So when Middle Easterners defied the laws dictated by a European colonial power on their homeland it put them in the wrong?

Other than that, taking land in defensive war is just good strategy, not stealing.

Again Palestinians are in the wrong for defying a Colonial European Power?

Now I'm sure you're equally concerned about the Arab theft of Kurdish land that the British freely enabled them to, right? Of course you are.

Dude that situation was squashed with Saddam's death! Kurds are thriving in their home region now.