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Should the F.B.I. raid Mar A Lago again?

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Or perhaps one of Trump’s other properties?

Do you think they recovered all of the documents Trump took or does he still have something hidden away?

Would you be surprised if there were more raids?
 

Suave

Simulated character
Please note if Trump were convicted of willfully and unlawfully removing government documents, he would be legally prohibited from holding any office under the United States, including the Presidency,

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b)
Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

Since there is indisputable photographic evidence of Trump's mishandling of top-secret documents strewn about the floor of his office at Mar-A-Lago, we should expect Trump to be legally convicted of mishandling government documents thereby lawfully prohibiting him from being the P,O.T,U.S..

doj_maralago_docs.png
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I think they should raid all his properties.
But I say that because it amuses me to see politicians get raided in general lol
Doesn’t matter the “team.”

Also ngl the reaction from the hardcore believers (and I’m not talking just people who loved Trump, like they seem to have calmed down and are acting like reasonable adults. I’m talking the super hardcore conspiracy theorists side) has been absolutely fascinating to watch unfold.

Though I suppose it wouldn’t hurt to cover their bases either :shrug:
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Or perhaps one of Trump’s other properties?

Do you think they recovered all of the documents Trump took or does he still have something hidden away?

Would you be surprised if there were more raids?

Musashi...

"Try anything twice, but do not attempt it a third time".
 

Dao Hao Now

Active Member
Please note if Trump were convicted of willfully and unlawfully removing government documents, he would be legally prohibited from holding any office under the United States, including the Presidency,

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b)
Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

Since there is indisputable photographic evidence of Trump's mishandling of top-secret documents strewn about the floor of his office at Mar-A-Lago, we should expect Trump to be legally convicted of mishandling government documents thereby lawfully prohibiting him from being the P,O.T,U.S..

doj_maralago_docs.png
While I agree with you concerning the fact the law would mean he would be ineligible to hold future office, and I am convinced that he did in fact remove and conceal sensitive documents (that were not “declassified” as per his claim), it is unnecessary to attempt to “trump” up the evidence
(please pardon the pun!) by suggesting that the photo is indicative of the way the documents were found.
The documents were arranged in the picture along with the evidence ID# marker in order to help illustrate what was found inside the file box.
They didn’t come upon a pile of top secret files lying on the floor.
He is just as guilty if there in the file box where they were found….there is no need to embellish the facts.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Musashi...

"Try anything twice, but do not attempt it a third time".

I am satisfied with the results of the first raid at Mar-a-Lago showing Trump's mishandling of government documents thereby prohibiting him from being the P,O.T,U.S.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Or perhaps one of Trump’s other properties?

Do you think they recovered all of the documents Trump took or does he still have something hidden away?

Would you be surprised if there were more raids?
By law there would have to be evidence or witness testimony that specific documents could be found at any specific property. Warrants can't be fishing expeditions. This is why the affidavit for the search warrant was redacted, because the FBI did not want to reveal who spilled the beans on Trump. Apparently someone gave testimony that the classified documents were at Mar-a-lago and this was the basis of the search warrant.

So unless there are charges filed against Trump, or more witnesses that know new information, I don't think the FBI could get more access to his properties.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
While I agree with you concerning the fact the law would mean he would be ineligible to hold future office, and I am convinced that he did in fact remove and conceal sensitive documents (that were not “declassified” as per his claim), it is unnecessary to attempt to “trump” up the evidence
(please pardon the pun!) by suggesting that the photo is indicative of the way the documents were found.
The documents were arranged in the picture along with the evidence ID# marker in order to help illustrate what was found inside the file box.
They didn’t come upon a pile of top secret files lying on the floor.
He is just as guilty if there in the file box where they were found….there is no need to embellish the facts.
Some were found in boxes and some were found in Trump's desk. I suspect these items being in his desk removes any doubt that he did not know about them. The claim that it was staffers who were careless in asking boxes will be questioned. The staffers would know that Top Secret means these are not Trump's. So if it comes down to staffers being indicted for removing these items I am willing to guess they will not be willing to go to prison for Trump. It only takes one to say that Trump asked them to pack these documents. The staffers might have protection since Trump was still president and had certain authority to handle these documents. The crime began once Trump's term was over and he refused to turn over these documents.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
By law there would have to be evidence or witness testimony that specific documents could be found at any specific property. Warrants can't be fishing expeditions. This is why the affidavit for the search warrant was redacted, because the FBI did not want to reveal who spilled the beans on Trump. Apparently someone gave testimony that the classified documents were at Mar-a-lago and this was the basis of the search warrant.

So unless there are charges filed against Trump, or more witnesses that know new information, I don't think the FBI could get more access to his properties.
Fair points and I agree.

But it is possible that they already have the evidence they need. We know they spoke to multiple witnesses to get this warrant. And maybe the evidence they collected tells them there are still more documents that he had that are unaccounted for. I know, too many “maybe”s. But I wonder.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Fair points and I agree.

But it is possible that they already have the evidence they need.
Oh yeah, Trump will be indicted.

We know they spoke to multiple witnesses to get this warrant. And maybe the evidence they collected tells them there are still more documents that he had that are unaccounted for. I know, too many “maybe”s. But I wonder.
I can see a scenario that the FBI makes a case that documents re missing from folders and there needs to be a broader search for critical national security documents. In this case I can see a justified search since there was indeed contraband collected at Mar-a-lago already, so that is due cause. The reporting I've seen says that officials are examining the collected documents and assessing what is missing, and trying to see if those documents can be found where they are supposed to be. It could be a case where documents were returned to the people in charge of these secure documents but without the cover sheets, and Trump kept the cover sheets only. So that is surely a huge priority, because it they were not recovered from Trump and in some other box, and they are not in secure locations, then where are they?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
One has to wonder about the 40 or so folders with "Secret" labels that contained -- nothing at all. Was there something in them? Where is that something now?

That seems like a pretty important question, to me.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I am satisfied with the results of the first raid at Mar-a-Lago showing Trump's mishandling of government documents thereby prohibiting him from being the P,O.T,U.S.
I don't think he's going to be president no matter which way the winds blow anyways.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Or perhaps one of Trump’s other properties?

Do you think they recovered all of the documents Trump took or does he still have something hidden away?

Would you be surprised if there were more raids?
By now, Trump would've secreted any other
documents he might've stolen. The FBI would've
anticipated this, & raided every place they thought
worthwhile in one fell stroke.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
Or perhaps one of Trump’s other properties?

Do you think they recovered all of the documents Trump took or does he still have something hidden away?

Would you be surprised if there were more raids?
Law enforcement should obtain and execute search warrants if, and only if, they have good reason to believe there is some evidence of criminality to be found. If the FBI have reason to believe there is further illegal held material at any of Trump's properties they could, and probably would, execute more searches. If they don't, they shouldn't and, I expect, wouldn't.

Sorry if the boring right answers pour cold water on the partisan political arguments anyone may have been hoping for. :cool:
 
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