Should the US do More?

[Nakosis]

There are many dissimilarities between the situations in 1991 and 2022, but the biggest one is this: Saddam Hussein, rather famously, did not have nuclear weapons. Vladimir Putin has approximately 6,000 of them. And that makes all the difference.
Both before the invasion and afterward, the Biden administration has consistently ruled out the deployment of US troops. “Let me say it again: Our forces are not — and will not — be engaged in the conflict with Russia in Ukraine,” the president said in a Thursday address. Despite the warnings of American involvement from commentators on the Trumpist right and “anti-imperialist” left, there are no signs of this policy changing. Nuclear weapons are the chief reason why.
Why the US won’t send troops to Ukraine

Is it fear that keeps us out of Ukraine?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The world needs to make the choice and thus share the consequences. The UN has voted, all they need is the force to police the vote.

The consequences will most likely be nuclear retaliation, so the strategy for retaliation would have to consider the mitigation of that possibility.

Regards Tony

 

[Twilight Hue]

There are many dissimilarities between the situations in 1991 and 2022, but the biggest one is this: Saddam Hussein, rather famously, did not have nuclear weapons. Vladimir Putin has approximately 6,000 of them. And that makes all the difference.
Both before the invasion and afterward, the Biden administration has consistently ruled out the deployment of US troops. “Let me say it again: Our forces are not — and will not — be engaged in the conflict with Russia in Ukraine,” the president said in a Thursday address. Despite the warnings of American involvement from commentators on the Trumpist right and “anti-imperialist” left, there are no signs of this policy changing. Nuclear weapons are the chief reason why.
Why the US won’t send troops to Ukraine

Is it fear that keeps us out of Ukraine?

I would have, with Ukraines blessing and the support of Congress, deploy enough troops in Ukraine to force Russia completely of the theater.

Bit I'm OK with logistical support givin to Ukraine atm. Biden did the right thing with this one.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The world needs to make the choice and thus share the consequences. The UN has voted, all they need is the force to police the vote.

The consequences will most likely be nuclear retaliation, so the strategy for retaliation would have to consider the mitigation of that possibility.

Regards Tony

I figure to never show weakness to the enemy. If you do, it only worsens the situation in the future.

 

[John53]

It doesn't matter what the U.S. does we will blame them for going in or we will blame them for doing nothing.

 

[Orbit]

Putin is apparently a bit unhinged, and he has threatened use of nuclear weapons. I think our indirect support, as it is happening now, is prudent.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It doesn't matter what the U.S. does we will blame them for going in or we will blame them for doing nothing.

I blame Biden for hypocrisy like Afghanistan if he goes in.

But going in I paradoxically support Biden if he chooses to do so with the blessings of Congress and Ukraine.

In other words I blame him for his hypocrisy but not for doing the right thing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Putin is apparently a bit unhinged, and he has threatened use of nuclear weapons. I think our indirect support, as it is happening now, is prudent.

Putin wont have a country to go back to anymore if he uses nukes and I think he knows it.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I figure to never show weakness to the enemy. If you do, it only worsens the situation in the future.

My very personal opinion is not to be weak.

In saying that there is a lot to consider, to which I would not offer on a public forum.

Regards Tony

 

[Wildswanderer]

I hate to advocate for boots on the ground because I have skin in the game.
But I think we might just be be delaying the inevitable by not sending troops, or at least air support. No one wants to kick off world war III, but I'm not sure you can play these games with a madman, and expect him not to retaliate anyway

 

[Altfish]

Anonymous' hackers are doing great

 

[Twilight Hue]

My very personal opinion is not to be weak.

In saying that there is a lot to consider, to which I would not offer on a public forum.

Regards Tony

Remember Operation Urgent Fury.

We did it then, and we should do it now.

 

[Nakosis]

The world needs to make the choice and thus share the consequences. The UN has voted, all they need is the force to police the vote.

The consequences will most likely be nuclear retaliation, so the strategy for retaliation would have to consider the mitigation of that possibility.

Regards Tony

Just a bit worried that if Putin succeeds in Ukraine that Finland or some other non-NATO country maybe next.
Sanctions may make him more desperate to control more territory.

I've also heard some Russian troops thought they were going in as peace keepers, not to bomb civilians. I imagine a big threat of being shot to not follow orders though.

 

[John53]

I blame Biden for hypocrisy like Afghanistan if he goes in.

But going in I paradoxically support Biden if he chooses to do so with the blessings of Congress and Ukraine.

In other words I blame him for his hypocrisy but not for doing the right thing.

I was talking about U.S. the country not U.S. politicians. It wouldn't matter who made the decision the rest of us would find fault in that decision, it's the popular thing to do. Maybe it wouldn't be if you lot stopped fighting amongst yourselves.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Just a bit worried that if Putin succeeds in Ukraine that Finland or some other non-NATO country maybe next.
Sanctions may make him more desperate to control more territory.

I've also heard some Russian troops thought they were going in as peace keepers, not to bomb civilians. I imagine a big threat of being shot to not follow orders though.

I see there is a lot of Russians that are not happy and God bless all those protesting and all those on the invasion forces that now know they are puppets enforcing illegal actions.

They are the people that have now embraced a new world order, which they see should be based on democracy and justice for all people.

All Governments need to let fo of the old world order, war is no longer tolerated by the vast majority of humanity.

The few clinging to the old world order, punish the majority.

Regards Tony

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The world has gone MAD again. Time to save our precious bodily fluids and win the mine shaft gap.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I was talking about U.S. the country not U.S. politicians. It wouldn't matter who made the decision the rest of us would find fault in that decision, it's the popular thing to do. Maybe it wouldn't be if you lot stopped fighting amongst yourselves.

We would need a functional Congress again.

 

[Spiderman]

You should have put a poll! Yes, if Russia did not have nuclear weapons, I believe we would have intervened by now!

 

[Kooky]

I figure to never show weakness to the enemy.

That's essentially how WW1 happened. I'm not keen on WW1 with nuclear weapons.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's essentially how WW1 happened. I'm not keen on WW1 with nuclear weapons.

I'd still not show weakness to the enemy.