Should we provide the homeless with shotguns?

[fantome profane]

This is an idea that has been proposed by Brian Ellison, a candidate for the U.S. senate.

<link>Arm homeless people with shotguns and ban the TSA, this Senate candidate says <link>

And in case you are worried that the homeless will waste ammunition, Ellison proposes that they be give a limited number of bullets, and if those bullets are wasted doing something like shooting innnocent tin cans the homeless person won’t be given any more. But if the homeless use the guns and bullets for the intended purpose (shooting people), they will be able to get more.

Is this a good idea? Would you support this? Would the NRA support this? Is this something President Trump should get behind?


Bonus question: Ya got any spare change?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

The NRA seems to want open warfare in our streets and schools if it helps them sell guns. I don't accept any of their sorry, lame excuses- or their shills in Congress. I cried for 30 minutes this morning over a video showing all those shoes on the White House lawn, symbolizing all the kids killed in school shootouts. That broke my heart. I bawled like a baby. Those kids never got to experience the life they may have wanted to. That was taken from them because our politicians won't be responsible.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

We should give homeless people housing and resources, if we're going to discuss guns.

 

[fantome profane]

We should give homeless people housing and resources, if we're going to discuss guns.

Yes! There is a reason we refer to them as “homeless” rather than “gunless”.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Yes! There is a reason we refer to them as “homeless” rather than “gunless”.

It honestly just floors me where conservative priorities appear to be for some of these people. Could there be any way to say more clearly he doesn't care about human life?

 

[Revoltingest]

The NRA seems to want open warfare in our streets and schools if it helps them sell guns.

The above disconnect from reality is explained by.....

I cried for 30 minutes this morning over a video showing all those shoes on the White House lawn, symbolizing all the kids killed in school shootouts. That broke my heart. I bawled like a baby

Btw, Ellison says this proposal is for shock value, thereby getting attention.
We do have a serious problem with assaults on homeless folk. They're
unable to find any place to camp, & organize. They had one here, but of
course, the cops kicked'm out, & fenced off the area (just a few miles from
where I live). They were peacefully living on unused government land by
a highway.
Cops & government have proscriptions, but no real solutions.

I allow people to live at my self storage facility (provided they keep a low
profile so as to not scare off other tenants). For some this works.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

The above disconnect from reality is explained by.....

No the above disconnect from reality as you call it is because I realize what arming everybody in an already chaotic gun culture could mean.

This would be so much worse than arming teachers. This could lead to street wars with the police getting fired at and firing on citizens.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I am sorry, but the gun obsession of some right-wingers disgusts me. This has gone to the level of disregard for life. It actually has. I am literally sick by it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is an idea that has been proposed by Brian Ellison, a candidate for the U.S. senate.

<link>Arm homeless people with shotguns and ban the TSA, this Senate candidate says <link>

And in case you are worried that the homeless will waste ammunition, Ellison proposes that they be give a limited number of bullets, and if those bullets are wasted doing something like shooting innnocent tin cans the homeless person won’t be given any more. But if the homeless use the guns and bullets for the intended purpose (shooting people), they will be able to get more.

Is this a good idea? Would you support this? Would the NRA support this? Is this something President Trump should get behind?


Bonus question: Ya got any spare change?

No worries. They will sell it for booze.

 

[Revoltingest]

No the above disconnect from reality as you call it is because I realize what arming everybody in an already chaotic gun culture could mean.

This would be so much worse than arming teachers. This could lead to street wars with the police getting fired at and firing on citizens.

You believe that Ellison's provocative offering is serious?
And that the NRA wants open warfare in the streets?
Don't believe every histrionic fantasy you hear in the media.
Apply a little skepticism.
Newsweek's artfully curtailed coverage might mislead.
Consider.....
U.S. Senate candidate wants to buy guns for homeless people

Ellison acknowledges his campaign, "Arm the Homeless," has shock value that will bring attention to his campaign. But he says as a third-party candidate going up against well-funded Democratic and Republican opponents, shock value is about the only thing he can do to get media coverage.

I am sorry, but the gun obsession of some right-wingers disgusts me. This has gone to the level of disregard for life. It actually has. I am literally sick by it.

I recommend avoiding anti-gun echo chambers.
They'll just preach that we're sending Americastan
down the terlit by arming felons & BBQing puppies.

Try another view....
We all want to reduce violence, but differ only in the path to peace.
Then we could discuss mutually acceptable solutions.
And you'll be happier.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

You believe that Ellison's provocative offering is serious?

I find myself in such a shocking culture these days, I honestly don't know what to believe.

And that the NRA wants open warfare in the streets?

I don't think they'd mind at all. I'll say that. Nothing else they do indicates they'd mind.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't think it was really necessary for the Newsweek article to mention that arming homeless people with shotguns was the idea of a libertarian. Ideas that dumb pretty much must be libertarian.

 

[fantome profane]

No worries. They will sell it for booze.

Yes, but who will they sell the guns to?

I am sure the homeless will run the standard required background checks before they sell the gun for booze.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't think it was really necessary for the Newsweek article to mention that arming homeless people with shotguns was the idea of a libertarian. Ideas that dumb pretty much must be libertarian.

It's in beta stage. The full version hasn't been released yet.

Personally I think it's a plug for a new reality tv show. ;0)

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, but who will they sell the guns to?

I am sure the homeless will run the standard required background checks before they sell the gun for booze.

I think they have a racket where they deal with the Hillbillies from the south.

Shotguns for shine.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think it was really necessary for the Newsweek article to mention that arming homeless people with shotguns was the idea of a libertarian. Ideas that dumb pretty much must be libertarian.

The article also failed to capitalize the "L".
Ellison is running under our party name.
Extremism is our way.

 

[Sunstone]

Extremism is our way.

That's odd. I thought most libertarians were happily oblivious to the extreme practical consequences of their religionideology. Do you mean to say you're both a libertarian and you know what the consequences of putting your ideology into practice would be?

 

[Rival]

Wouldn't this just lead to millions of suicides?

 

[Revoltingest]

That's odd. I thought most libertarians were happily oblivious to the extreme practical consequences of their religionideology. Do you mean to say you're both a libertarian and you know what the consequences of putting your ideology into practice would be?

One must understand that no matter what one believes,
the political reality is that public policy will be a compromise
of all competing philosophies. No one group gets its way,
but can hope to influence things in their direction.

Religious fundies might want a theocracy, but the best they
could achieve is more religious liberty for bakeries.
Socialists will fail at getting a paradise of worker owned means
of production, but they could steer the country towards single
payer health care, & a better social safety net.
And Libertarians will never achieve the kind of minarchy we
want, but we just might foster more economic liberty, less
war, & lower taxes.

Campaign slogans seldom reflect real world goals.
They're just about getting attention to win elections.

 

[Stanyon]

I am sure the homeless will run the standard required background checks before they sell the gun for booze.

Quite a few homeless are convicted felons so they wouldn't be able to legally own them in the first place
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