Should you believe the trinity doctrine?

[anonymous9887]

Because that is the way it is. Asking that question in no way proves your point. If that is the only "proof" you have your argument is in deep trouble.

You could ask all sorts of questions about God that no human being can answer. So that proves nothing. With God all things are possible so there are no limits on God whatsoever.

No I got plenty more.
But your mistaken gods nature does have limits.
God cannot be tempted
God cannot lie
God cannot be unjust
God cannot be weak
God cannot be unloving
God cannot be unwise
God cannot be irrational

 

[Nada]

Again, you fail to realize that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One God in three persons. Your conclusion does not take into account that God is quite able to appear as three separate entities in three different places at 3 different times.

With God, all things are possible.

Again, I will not argue about it.

If you look up the word debate,it means to put forward arguments and discuss them.If you look at the very top it says Religious debate. If you are not here to debate,then you are simply preaching.There is a difference.


Ps.According to the Holy Scriptures you are incorrect.According to the RCC,you are correct.

 

[Nada]

As I previously stated I will not argue with you about it. If you will not hear then you will not hear.

Changing the subject to your problems with the RCC is something I would really rather not hear, not trying to be a smart alec, I just don't want to hear those arguments. I do not believe every doctrine that comes out of Rome. But scripture is inherent and infallible.

I will not hear what you want me to believe, according to what your organization teaches you.I will stick to the holy scriptures for the correct answers.

Ps.If you cannot handle a debate I would suggest leaving this forum.

 

[First Baseman]

I can handle a debate. It does sadden me greatly when people will not hear scripture, however.

Good day to you gentlemen.

 

[Nada]

I can handle a debate. It does sadden me greatly when people will not hear scripture, however.

Good day to you gentlemen.

It saddens me too.Have a nice day.

 

[Shiranui117]

I personally have read the scriptures and I just cannot read the trinity in the bible. why should we believe it?

I believe in it because Koine Greek-speaking people back during the second century read the Koine Greek Scriptures and taught the Trinity. If the Trinity was indefensible from the Bible, then those who spoke the language the NT was originally written in would have never quoted Scriptures in favor of the Trinity, because they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on; a child could have pointed out their flawed grammar. Yet even those who were instructed directly by the Apostles taught the Trinity.

 

[anonymous9887]

If you are speaking about the Septuagint and the I am he's tha ego eimi. Then I guess in John 9:9 according to trinitarian theology the blind man is claiming diety

 

[Nada]

I believe in it because Koine Greek-speaking people back during the second century read the Koine Greek Scriptures and taught the Trinity. If the Trinity was indefensible from the Bible, then those who spoke the language the NT was originally written in would have never quoted Scriptures in favor of the Trinity, because they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on; a child could have pointed out their flawed grammar. Yet even those who were instructed directly by the Apostles taught the Trinity.

Actually they did not teach the Trinity.Some who learned from the Apostles went on to corrupt the teachings and begin their own sects, that had traditional teachings, not of the holy scriptures.Paul spoke of this.It was clear some were to come and try to hide the truth.

1 John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.

 

[anonymous9887]

Actually they did not teach the Trinity.Some who learned from the Apostles went on to corrupt the teachings and begin their own sects, that had traditional teachings, not of the holy scriptures.Paul spoke of this.It was clear some were to come and try to hide the truth.

1 John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.

Dude you have some good knowledge of scripture and things relevant.

 

[Nada]

When something has been taught to you over and over again, and all you know is that,it is easy to get caught up in non biblical teachings.That is why it is very important,if you are going to study,to do so thoroughly.The Trinity is a n old doctrine that is older than Christianity.Do some research.The holy scriptures speaks of those who have their minds seared as if with a hot iron.Meaning that all these non biblical teachings have seared the minds of many and they cannot see the truth.What happens when something is seared? It is all burned and leaves a distinctive marking.All blackened and hard to remove.This is how the minds of those who have been lied to are.This says it all and then some.If you pay attention to the entire passage you can see who it is that does these things.


1 Timothy 4:1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

http://biblehub.com/niv/1_timothy/4.htm

 

[Nada]

Dude you have some good knowledge of scripture and things relevant.

Thanks.I studied for a while but I fell off big time.

 

[Neo Deist]

Matthew 16

1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

I said prove that it was inspired. All you did was quote some verses from a collection of ancient scrolls written by human hands...

 

[anonymous9887]

Thanks.I studied for a while but I fell off big time.

It's all good i pray that you come back stronger.

 

[Nada]

It's all good i pray that you come back stronger.

Thank you.That means a lot to me.I appreciate it.

 

[sojourner]

I personally have read the scriptures and I just cannot read the trinity in the bible. why should we believe it?

First of all, interpretation has never been about "me personally." Interpretation is best carried out in the context of the community. Second, is your interpretation as well-informed as that of others -- say, scholars, whose professional lives have been spent undertaking serious, peer-reviewed study of the texts? Third, The Trinity presents a cogent, coherent construction that is consistent with biblical soteriology of reconciliation. Fourth, the Trinity has been the orthodox stance of the church since before Nicea.

As to the question of whether "we" should believe it, I think "we" should believe it if it makes sense for us to do so. If it's not helpful, then don't believe it. I really don't think it's any skin off God's nose what "we" believe about God, particularly.

 

[sojourner]

Well to be quite honest I do believe that it is quite necessary to know, just because If Jehovah is god then we should be worshipping him and if jesus is not god and we are giving full credit to Jesus for Yahweh's work we don't really know the true god. John 17:3 Jesus says to god the father this is life everlasting there coming to know you the only true god "and" Jesus Christ whom you sent. maybe eternal life is at stake. what do you think?

This is extremely naive.

 

[sojourner]

What about the answers to life's greatest mysteries

The bible doesn't answer those.

Why is there so much suffering?

The bible doesn't address the theodicy question very well, either.

don't you think the bible deserves a chance to answer those questions?

It doesn't. Reading it againandagainandagain won't change that.

 

[sojourner]

why are we not perfect as human beings?

We are just as perfectly human as we can be, because that's the way God made us -- perfectly human.

Will we as mankind ever experience peace?

Answering that question is far less important than striving to achieve peace.

 

[sojourner]

Just to point out what you said goes to my point god wants people who want to worship him not forcibly but those who oppose will eventually be destroyed, and god will have a people who want to worship him. there is more to why he allows those people to remain and why he allows things he has a plan and has revealed it in his word the scriptures

"Certain destruction" is a pretty forcible coercion, I'd say.

 

[sojourner]

I should say astronomical accuracies the are my favorite. job 26:7 the earth hangs on nothing and he stretches out the skies the universe continually expands Job 9:8 you can search it there is plenty and the so called inaccuracies can be debunked easy.

"Astronomical accuracies." You mean like how the sky is a rigid dome upon which are fixed the sun, moon, and other bodies? You mean those "astronomical accuracies?"