Show me definitive proof your religious text isn't entirely made up.

[leibowde84]

I don't gotta do nuffin. I have my own stuff to do. I showed you proof. You have to determine its validity. I can't do that for you.

If you're just going to get stuck on "pretty much", you're not likely to consider it seriously -but you will find yourself ill-prepared for the rather immediate future.

You didn't provide evidence or support. You backed up your claim with more unsupported claims.

 

[Etritonakin]

You didn't provide evidence or support. You backed up your claim with more unsupported claims.

You're free to look into it. What I posted is evidence. It is proof -though a small portion of the whole. Support can be found in history, genealogy, etc. (whether the house of Judah is now governing Israel/Jerusalem, etc.) -as well as many more supporting scriptures.
I satisfied the terms, but am too busy to do everyone's work for them as far as support is concerned.
I have done extensive research, but do not have much saved to easily access.
If I can find some things, I might post them.

It's usually about as worthwhile as trying to convince people of evolution or a very old Earth who really aren't interested. Proof is worthless if one does not consider it themselves.

 

[leibowde84]

You're free to look into it. What I posted is evidence. It is proof -though a small portion of the whole. Support can be found in history, genealogy, etc. (whether the house of Judah is now governing Israel/Jerusalem, etc.) -as well as many more supporting scriptures.
I satisfied the terms, but am too busy to do everyone's work for them as far as support is concerned.
I have done extensive research, but do not have much saved to easily access.
If I can find some things, I might post them.

It's usually about as worthwhile as trying to convince people of evolution or a very old Earth who really aren't interested. Proof is worthless if one does not consider it themselves.

But all of your examples aren't evidence, they are other claims made by people in the past, aren't they?

 

[dust1n]

Still no idea who these governors are in the House of Judah that now hold power in Israel? Still not quite sure exactly what the House of Judah refers to. Tried looking some of these things up, but none of my searches yield anything.

 

[Etritonakin]

I'm not demanding or making you do anything. Feel free to disengage whenever.



I mean, I have no way of knowing that if what you are saying is true.

When you said this:



Were you referring to Benjamin Netanyahu? You said they are currently governing Israel now, right? Did I misunderstand this?



Can I hold you to this? How immediate we talking?

You can do your own research as to the lineage of those governing Israel.

I don't know how you might hold me to it -especially if you are unaware that what happens was what was written.

What will happen soon is described generally in the following.....

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

If you are unaware of what will happen or what to do in response, you are generally not prepared for it.

You might be more prepared in a worldly sense than some due to your general circumstances, location, etc., but spiritual preparation is also important.
That includes knowing the trouble is leading to something awesome -but knowing what God expects of one will be even more advantageous.

That tribulation (and the great and terrible day of the Lord) -which ends with the return of Christ -is described in some detail.

I'm pretty sure I posted a general overview on this site -will check.

 

[Etritonakin]

Still no idea who these governors are in the House of Judah that now hold power in Israel? Still not quite sure exactly what the House of Judah refers to. Tried looking some of these things up, but none of my searches yield anything.

What are you looking for? Do you believe that they -those we call "The Jews" (derived from "Judah" -first hint) are generally Israelite, at least?

 

[Etritonakin]

But all of your examples aren't evidence, they are other claims made by people in the past, aren't they?

They are evidence that what was written long ago has come to pass and will come to pass. What comes to pass is evidence that the future was written in the past in great detail. You could consider it a writer claiming that he was writing the words of God -who claimed he was writing future history -but if you do not do quite a bit of research, you will not see it for what it is.

 

[Quintessence]

Think he was talking about scripture. Not really the same as someone promoting their own book.

I'm... going to wager you don't know what a Book of Shadows is given that response.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I'm... going to wager you don't know what a Book of Shadows is given that response.

It sure isn't scripture. Not of any peaceable sort for sure.

 

[Quintessence]

It sure isn't scripture. Not of any peaceable sort for sure.

Er... thanks for confirming what I just wagered, I guess?

 

[popsthebuilder]

So correct me.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Never mind. Anything claiming paganism started anytime within the last 2000 years is an attempt to wash their hands of the atrocities they played and still play a major role in. I don't really agree with any form of polytheism especially those partially reaponsable for the death of the Crist.

 

[dust1n]

You can do your own research as to the lineage of those governing Israel.

I don't know how you might hold me to it -especially if you are unaware that what happens was what was written.

"As part of the kingdom of Judah, the tribe of Judah survived the destruction of Israel by the Assyrians, and instead was subjected to the Babylonian captivity; when the captivity ended, the distinction between the tribes were lost in favour of a common identity. Since Simeon and Benjamin had been very much the junior partners in the Kingdom of Judah, it was Judah that gave its name to the identity—that of the Jews.

After the fall of Jerusalem, Babylonia (modern day Iraq), would become the focus of Jewish life for more than a thousand years. The first Jewish communities in Babylonia started with the exile of the Tribe of Judah to Babylon by Jehoiachin in 597 BC as well as after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 586 BC.[10] Many more Jews migrated to Babylon in AD 135 after the Bar Kokhba revolt and in the centuries after.[10]

Ethiopia's traditions, recorded and elaborated in a 13th-century treatise, the "Kebre Negest", assert descent from a retinue of Israelites who returned with the Queen of Sheba from her visit to King Solomon in Jerusalem, by whom she had conceived the Solomonic dynasty's founder, Menelik I. Both Christian and Jewish Ethiopian tradition has it that these immigrants were mostly of the Tribes of Dan and Judah; hence the Ge'ez motto Mo`a 'Anbessa Ze'imnegede Yihuda ("The Lion of the Tribe of Judah has conquered"), one of many names for Jesus of Nazareth. The phrase "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah has conquered" is also found in the Book of Revelation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Judah

So I've been trying to figure out how Benjamin Netanyahu's genealogy can be traced to tribe of Judah. I've pretty much googled everyone combination of search and still can't find anything. Definitely not on his Wikipedia page, to say the least.

What will happen soon is described generally in the following.....

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

So how do you know it is soon?

If you are unaware of what will happen or what to do in response, you are generally not prepared for it.

Sure. I'm not prepared for a lot of things, like an asteroid hitting the planet in the next two minutes.

You might be more prepared in a worldly sense than some due to your general circumstances, location, etc., but spiritual preparation is also important.
That includes knowing the trouble is leading to something awesome -but knowing what God expects of one will be even more advantageous.

That tribulation (and the great and terrible day of the Lord) -which ends with the return of Christ -is described in some detail.

I'm pretty sure I posted a general overview on this site -will check.

I'm actually more interested in the Israel leaders being descendants of the Tribe of Judah. Where's the evidence for this?

 

[dust1n]

Think he was talking about scripture. Not really the same as someone promoting their own book.

Actually, I figure The Book of Shadows has just much legitimacy as the Bible if it wishes to be submitted for review of definitive proof. I will apply the reasoning of creationism to any and all religious text as one asks.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Actually, I figure The Book of Shadows has just much legitimacy as the Bible if it wishes to be submitted for review of definitive proof. I will apply the reasoning of creationism to any and all religious text as one asks.

Traditional creationism is a joke. To say that all that exists today is the exact same as the plants and animals prior to the flood or latest ice age is just silly.

 

[dust1n]

Suppose the answer was hidden in plain site?
Let's suppose for a moment that we are the answer to all of our questions.
If that is true then what we need to know first is ourselves.

Who would ever consider that the answer to all of our questions would be us?
Think about it, do you know anyone you can trust to give you answers?
It is only ourselves that we can trust.

It's fool proof the answer to the problem we all seem to have and yet we are all blind as a fool can be.
We look to everyone but ourselves for answers and then proclaim that there isn't any answers.
We blame all of "them"for not giving us the correct answers without ever having the courage to admit that we don't live up to what we already know we should be doing.
We don't live up to the truth we have, why should we think we would be trusted with anymore.

Why would I suppose that I have the answers to all my own questions? If no one but myself can be trusted, then all humans except my self are untrustworthy. If that's the case, I'm most likely untrustworthy too. Either way, I have no more access to the answers of difficult questions than anyone else does. There are questions that I can posit that no one will ever have an answer for or could ever get the knowledge to claim to have an answer it. So, I could assume we are the answer to all of our questions, but then we are back at starting line. No proof that we are the answer to all of our questions. Not even any evidence. Not at least on the scale of macro-evolution, and I know macro-evolution has to be wrong, so I need something more definitive than that when debating evolutionists.

All genuine religious texts were written by mystics.
People who understand who we are, where we come from and where we are going came to this knowledge through asking questions of themselves and experiencing the answers.

All religious texts are corrupted due to the inability of most to grasp the meaning of the original writings.
They get watered down so to speak.

What is genuine religious text? Why would I believe a mystic who doesn't know anything about who I am who makes claims about who I am?

 

[dust1n]

Traditional creationism is a joke. To say that all that exists today is the exact same as the plants and animals prior to the flood or latest ice age is just silly.

Ah, I didn't realize I was in a neocreationist revival. So what is the difference between traditional and the unorthodox?

 

[Etritonakin]

"As part of the kingdom of Judah, the tribe of Judah survived the destruction of Israel by the Assyrians, and instead was subjected to the Babylonian captivity; when the captivity ended, the distinction between the tribes were lost in favour of a common identity. Since Simeon and Benjamin had been very much the junior partners in the Kingdom of Judah, it was Judah that gave its name to the identity—that of the Jews.

After the fall of Jerusalem, Babylonia (modern day Iraq), would become the focus of Jewish life for more than a thousand years. The first Jewish communities in Babylonia started with the exile of the Tribe of Judah to Babylon by Jehoiachin in 597 BC as well as after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 586 BC.[10] Many more Jews migrated to Babylon in AD 135 after the Bar Kokhba revolt and in the centuries after.[10]

Ethiopia's traditions, recorded and elaborated in a 13th-century treatise, the "Kebre Negest", assert descent from a retinue of Israelites who returned with the Queen of Sheba from her visit to King Solomon in Jerusalem, by whom she had conceived the Solomonic dynasty's founder, Menelik I. Both Christian and Jewish Ethiopian tradition has it that these immigrants were mostly of the Tribes of Dan and Judah; hence the Ge'ez motto Mo`a 'Anbessa Ze'imnegede Yihuda ("The Lion of the Tribe of Judah has conquered"), one of many names for Jesus of Nazareth. The phrase "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah has conquered" is also found in the Book of Revelation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Judah

So I've been trying to figure out how Benjamin Netanyahu's genealogy can be traced to tribe of Judah. I've pretty much googled everyone combination of search and still can't find anything. Definitely not on his Wikipedia page, to say the least.




Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

So how do you know it is soon?



Sure. I'm not prepared for a lot of things, like an asteroid hitting the planet in the next two minutes.



I'm actually more interested in the Israel leaders being descendants of the Tribe of Judah. Where's the evidence for this?

House of Judah -not necessarily tribe. The tribe of Judah was only part of the house of Judah. That's a good start on your research.

Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

So how do you know it is soon?

By not being concerned with the particular day or hour of that day.
It does not say we cannot know it is near. Other scriptures indicate we can know more certainly as it approaches....

Some prophecies do contain very specific amounts of time -then it is a matter of understanding who or what is being discussed.

The following concern the taking away of "the daily" by a "king of fierce countenance"/"king of the north", a "host" used by him against the daily...

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days

Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

To identify those, many other scriptures need to be referenced.

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Things written in one place become more clear when other things are referenced. The following is addressed to the house of Israel (not the house of Judah)

Eze 17:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
Eze 17:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:

...and the identity of the cedar is given elswhere

Eze 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

 

[Sees]

...Anything claiming paganism started anytime within the last 2000 years is an attempt to wash their hands of the atrocities they played and still play a major role in...

If you switched paganism in your sentence with monotheism or Abrahamic, it would be much more accurate...not that it has a lot to do with this thread regardless.

 

[popsthebuilder]

If you switched paganism in your sentence with monotheism or Abrahamic, it would be much more accurate...not that it has a lot to do with this thread regardless.

You make no sense. Ancient Catholicism is poly and partnered with pagans, henceforth not Christianity in true form.