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Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The Ardent Atheist said:
I define exceptionalism--in both the individual and the state--...as a willingness to act according to morally superior principles while striving towards morally superior ideals.
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What "morally superior principles and ideals" do you imagine Trump embodies or at least espouses?

When you hear Trump speak, you know he believes in America's greatness.
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Or, are you voting for him not because you know of any "morally superior principles and ideals" that he embodies, but rather because you think he "believes in America's greatness"?
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
The Ardent Atheist said:
Of course Tump is a d_uchebag and a panderer, but I'm still voting for him. He's not going to do the more extreme things he says he'll do, but he will give America a good kick in the _ss, not unlike what a lazy teenager might need to get his act together.

The world and Democrats hate Trump in the same way they hate American ideals. They want a submissive America, but we're modern-day Rome. We're the leader of the free world. We're exceptional. We kick _ss and take names. In America, you can flip the bird to the President's face and nobody will arrest you. (Try doing that to a monarch.) In America, you can build your own business and nobody will annex it. You can publish anything about the government and not be charged with treason. (Not even the British have that freedom.) You can post online about atheism and not receive lashings, like what happened to the young guy in Saudi Arabia recently.

At this time in history, Trump is the braggadocious jack_ss America needs. We certainly don't need Comrade Sanders or Hillary Klingon; we've suffered enough of that under Barry Soetero.
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Wtf have you been smoking? o_O
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Sunstone said:
Personally, I think it's risky to assume Trump doesn't mean what he says. For one thing, his remarks create expectations in his base, and those expectations will put political pressure on him to deliver -- if he gets elected.
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You seem to forget he's not a politician. If "his base" fires him from this gig--oh, well--he'll just build another skyscraper.
 
SpeaksForTheTrees

SpeaksForTheTrees

Well-Known Member
The Ardent Atheist said:
Of course Tump is a d_uchebag and a panderer, but I'm still voting for him. He's not going to do the more extreme things he says he'll do, but he will give America a good kick in the _ss, not unlike what a lazy teenager might need to get his act together.

The world and Democrats hate Trump in the same way they hate American ideals. They want a submissive America, but we're modern-day Rome. We're the leader of the free world. We're exceptional. We kick _ss and take names. In America, you can flip the bird to the President's face and nobody will arrest you. (Try doing that to a monarch.) In America, you can build your own business and nobody will annex it. You can publish anything about the government and not be charged with treason. (Not even the British have that freedom.) You can post online about atheism and not receive lashings, like what happened to the young guy in Saudi Arabia recently.

At this time in history, Trump is the braggadocious jack_ss America needs. We certainly don't need Comrade Sanders or Hillary Klingon; we've suffered enough of that under Barry Soetero.
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Talk about f***** shocking and shameful , you take **** for granted , world isn't just 200 years America been enjoying little taste of everything the European pitchfork men fought for , 2016 I beg to differ pal , show me 1 example why an american has more freedom than an Englishman , in england every man is an America , got the money to buy real estate 5 times bigger in US
America become everything the founding fathers didn't want it to be , you can't blame it on anyone except previous generations of false patriots tearing the constitution apart
God gave that for the world and guess what like bible ya changed it , be warned is only that makes you different.
America you compare to Rome , since when has the wild west been a place of culture imho The US graced by Native American culture but is subdued .
American cars even you hamburgers are like 3 times bigger than anywhere on planet is a land of waste and greed and more imho even Walt Disney gone nuclear is more culture on the moon
I am ashamed what you going to do with you freedom that you didn't even know you had lost .
Wish we had just left it to the French or Spanish or Portuguese was a few countries there before the British .

None of it matters but is all relevant to why America is.
Free yeah free to dream
American culture wasteful excessive & greedy
That's how free I am to tell us younger american cousins to f*****g grow up .
What you going to do with your freedom today America blow everything up and force your will ?
America could change the mindset of the world without actually destroying it , but ya didn't know how.
I wouldn't come to america bro if ya gave me a free ride.
Love America tho , she was a dream but that's all she is.
That dream can be found right at home in the UK in 2016.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Sunstone said:
Personally, I think it's risky to assume Trump doesn't mean what he says. For one thing, his remarks create expectations in his base, and those expectations will put political pressure on him to deliver -- if he gets elected.
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You're clearly over-reacting.

When ever has a crazy son of a ***** ever done exactly what they said they'd do?

BSM1 said:
You seem to forget he's not a politician. If "his base" fires him from this gig--oh, well--he'll just build another skyscraper.
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Strange, I could've swore he was running for public office of some kind.
 
Daemon Sophic

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
For the record,
1- I support Sanders.
2- Trump is the exact kind of witless, braggadocio, arrogant pissant that gets us into wars.....usually alone. His narcissism and hostile personality can best be compared to Kim Jong-un.
But I fear his economic, international, science, and healthcare policies as the even more imminent threat to American and global stability. Although lawyers as leaders are a terrible combo, the title of "Billionaire" or "Businessman" is a definite strike against Drumpf, as would be electing Dick Cheney as president (by the gods, that chills my bones).

3- Hillary's "War Record" from the site OnTheIssues. -- http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm#War_+_Peace
Red is bad. Blue is good. Uncolored is 'meh'
  • Iraq war vote was meant to be used as coercive diplomacy. (Jan 2008)
  • Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US. (Jan 2008)
  • Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not. (Apr 2007)
  • Critic of Iraq war, but won’t recant 2002 vote in its favor. (Nov 2006)
  • Regrets Bush’s handling of war, but not her war vote. (Oct 2006)
  • Voted YES on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. (Sep 2007)
  • Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
  • Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
  • Voted YES on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)
  • Voted YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding. (Apr 2005)
  • Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
  • Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
  • Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)
  • No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq. (Jan 2007)
  • Deploy UN multinational peacekeeping force in Darfur. (Jul 2007)
  • Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran. (Oct 2007

And here's Bernie....

  • Voted YES on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months. (Dec 2007)
  • Voted NO on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. (Sep 2007)
  • Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
  • Voted NO on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
  • Voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
  • Voted NO on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
  • Voted YES on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)
  • Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)
  • Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran. (Oct 2007)
 
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The Ardent Atheist

Member
Nietzsche said:
Ah, no wonder you support Trump. You hold the worst possible political opinion, namely that mob-rule has any kind of redeeming value. Populism turned Europe into a ****ing charnel house. You'll excuse me if I am wary of demagogues who rely on whipping up the most base instincts of an under-educated voting populace.
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There are two possibilities for governance: populist rule or elitist rule. Both have their disadvantages, but populist rule is the morally superior choice.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Aquitaine said:
You'd think she'd be less of a Hawk, given her opinion on who're the "primary victims" of it.
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Clearly, she is willing to victimize a whole lotta women in pursuing her foreign policies.
And some men suffer collateral inconveniences.
 
T

The Ardent Atheist

Member
Sunstone said:
What "morally superior principles and ideals" do you imagine Trump embodies or at least espouses?

Or, are you voting for him not because you know of any "morally superior principles and ideals" that he embodies, but rather because you think he "believes in America's greatness"?
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His primary appeal seems to be his unashamed belief in capitalism and a free market. He's a breath of fresh air compared to Obama, who believes that businesses aren't built by the people who built them.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
The Ardent Atheist said:
There are two possibilities for governance: populist rule or elitist rule. Both have their disadvantages, but populist rule is the morally superior choice.
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**** the morals of the people and their will. Society at large has never, and will never, make something "good" because it's popular opinion. Chattel-slavery at one point was supported by overwhelming portions of the population. Would you care to argue slavery became moral because it's what "the people" wanted? Populism is what destroys countries. Fascism, Communism and all the other assorted extreme ideologies are inherently populist, and have only ever taken power because of the "will of the people".

Trump is a demagogue, and his volk are little more than the American equivalent of failed beer-hall putschists.
 
Daemon Sophic

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Revoltingest said:
Clearly, she is willing to victimize a whole lotta women in pursuing her foreign policies.
And some men suffer collateral inconveniences.
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I am often puzzled by your stated beliefs about Hillary and Trump regarding war. As I posted, she certainly has a mixed bag history, but I've never known her as leaping onto a stump with sword in hand, yelling for blood and glory.
However you seem to speak of Trump as someone who eschews violence, and war in particular, or at a minimum you seem to think that he will take a Wilsonesque laissez faire path for the US.
But all the evidence and Trump's own quotes suggest the opposite.....

Hit ISIS hard and fast
From the dispute over funding the Department of Homeland Security ("the answer is 'we're going to fund, we're going to keep doing it"), to repealing ObamaCare ("which is a total lie"), Trump just wants to see a more aggressive approach.
When asked about ISIS, Trump said he "would hit them so hard and so fast that they wouldn't know what happened." He later claimed his approach would be one that historical military figures General Douglas McArthur and General George Patton would approve of.
Source: CBS News on 2015 Conservative Political Action Conf. , Feb 27, 2015
Stop Iran's nuclear programs by any & all means necessary
America's primary goal with Iran must be to destroy its nuclear ambitions. Let me put them as plainly as I know how: Iran's nuclear program must be stopped--by any and all means necessary. Period. We cannot allow this radical regime to acquire a nuclear weapon that they will either use or hand off to terrorists. Better now than later!
North Korean nuke development
[In a Trump presidency], North Korea would suddenly discover that its worthless promises of civilized behavior would cut no ice. I would let Pyongyang know in no uncertain terms that it can either get out of the nuclear arms race or expect a rebuke similar to the one Ronald Reagan delivered to Ghadhafi in 1986. I don’t think anybody is going to accuse me of tiptoeing through the issues or tap-dancing around them either. Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea? Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.274 , Jul 2, 2000​


And here's a Trump timeline on the Iraq war.....seems he was for it, though as usual he was willing to criticize its execution, and was disturbed how it messed with his own investments. http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/

As far as war is concerned, regardless of what he spiels out this particular week, Drumpf seems to have no problem at all going to war, even on two or more fronts.....as long as he personally makes a profit.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Daemon Sophic said:
I am often puzzled by your stated beliefs about Hillary and Trump regarding war. As I posted, she certainly has a mixed bag history, but I've never known her as leaping onto a stump with sword in hand, yelling for blood and glory.
However you seem to speak of Trump as someone who eschews violence, and war in particular, or at a minimum you seem to think that he will take a Wilsonesque laissez faire path for the US.
But all the evidence and Trump's own quotes suggest the opposite.....

Hit ISIS hard and fast
From the dispute over funding the Department of Homeland Security ("the answer is 'we're going to fund, we're going to keep doing it"), to repealing ObamaCare ("which is a total lie"), Trump just wants to see a more aggressive approach.
When asked about ISIS, Trump said he "would hit them so hard and so fast that they wouldn't know what happened." He later claimed his approach would be one that historical military figures General Douglas McArthur and General George Patton would approve of.
Source: CBS News on 2015 Conservative Political Action Conf. , Feb 27, 2015
Stop Iran's nuclear programs by any & all means necessary
America's primary goal with Iran must be to destroy its nuclear ambitions. Let me put them as plainly as I know how: Iran's nuclear program must be stopped--by any and all means necessary. Period. We cannot allow this radical regime to acquire a nuclear weapon that they will either use or hand off to terrorists. Better now than later!
North Korean nuke development
[In a Trump presidency], North Korea would suddenly discover that its worthless promises of civilized behavior would cut no ice. I would let Pyongyang know in no uncertain terms that it can either get out of the nuclear arms race or expect a rebuke similar to the one Ronald Reagan delivered to Ghadhafi in 1986. I don’t think anybody is going to accuse me of tiptoeing through the issues or tap-dancing around them either. Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea? Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.274 , Jul 2, 2000​


And here's a Trump timeline on the Iraq war.....seems he was for it, though as usual he was willing to criticize its execution, and was disturbed how it messed with his own investments. http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/
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I'll address the above when I've more time.
As far as war is concerned, regardless of what he spiels out this particular week, Drumpf seems to have no problem at all going to war, even on two or more fronts.....as long as he personally makes a profit.
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How will Trump profit from war?
"Drumpf"?
 
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