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Sikh community slams Amazon’s highly offensive products

Shad

Veteran Member
There are millions upon millions. How do you propose to get rid of them

Deportation, prison or exile. Keep in mind I am talking about people that are willing to kill others over a cartoon. Eventually something will make their tiny brains snap thus expose themselves in some form.

If you let the whims of the fanatics guide your policy you become a puppet on a string.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Appreciate that you did not say execution. You do not instigate people in life, why should anyone do it in media
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
And why's that?
If God is considered all-pervasive in India, then why can't Indians acknowledge His presence in toilet seats or trash cans?
Not every one considers God as being all pervasive. I am God because I have surrendered to Him; you are not God because you have not surrendered to Him.

A toilet seat or trash can only be Brahman (physical energy and consciousness energy, that is, atman) but the paramatman is missing or dormant.
 

The Crimson Universe

Active Member
Not every one considers God as being all pervasive. I am God because I have surrendered to Him; you are not God because you have not surrendered to Him.

A toilet seat or trash can only be Brahman (physical energy and consciousness energy, that is, atman) but the paramatman is missing or dormant.

If you surrender to Him, then you remain subservient to Him.
You don't become Him.
A true monist would never surrender but would seek for the unfathomable impersonal Brahman, after he subdues his senses and vrittis (racing thoughts).

AFAIK, pretty much all hindoos consider God to be all pervasive. Not just the monists but even the dualists (the Hare Krishnas) claims that Krishna/Vishnu is all pervasive. The vishwa roopa/virat purusha/cosmic man encompasses and pervades everything.

And I agree with you that paramatman is dormant where there's no reflecting medium (mind), but paramatma is not missing in such objects.
To the dualists, the word paramatma and parabrahman are used to address Krishna/Vishnu. So yeah, it doesn't matter whether he's impersonal or personal, he's everywhere.
And i don't recognize words like physical energy and consciousness energy. As far as advaita is concerned, there's only one energy, that is consciousness. There are no two energies in advaita.
You'll have to use sanskrit scriptural terms and its English equivalents, if you want to discuss hindoo monism coz the ones you're using, can lead to confusion.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
And why's that? If God is considered all-pervasive in India, then why can't Indians acknowledge His presence in toilet seats or trash cans?
;) Want a hard answer!
Even 'sh it' is Brahman, but every one would not understand this.
No problemo. I add execution to that list.
If you kill someone over a cartoon or a toilet seat, you should die.
Oh, you want a conflagration. Yes, it has been 73 years since WWII.
 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
Oh, you want a conflagration. Yes, it has been 73 years since WWII.

What are you calling a conflagration ?
Yes, it has been over 50 years that killing people for pathetic reasons such as belonging to a different religion or drawing a cartoon was acceptable.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
If you surrender to Him, then you remain subservient to Him.
You don't become Him.
A true monist would never surrender but would seek for the unfathomable impersonal Brahman, after he subdues his senses and vrittis (racing thoughts).

AFAIK, pretty much all hindoos consider God to be all pervasive. Not just the monists but even the dualists (the Hare Krishnas) claims that Krishna/Vishnu is all pervasive. The vishwa roopa/virat purusha/cosmic man encompasses and pervades everything.

And I agree with you that paramatman is dormant where there's no reflecting medium (mind), but paramatma is not missing in such objects.
To the dualists, the word paramatma and parabrahman are used to address Krishna/Vishnu. So yeah, it doesn't matter whether he's impersonal or personal, he's everywhere.
And i don't recognize words like physical energy and consciousness energy. As far as advaita is concerned, there's only one energy, that is consciousness. There are no two energies in advaita.
You'll have to use sanskrit scriptural terms and its English equivalents, if you want to discuss hindoo monism coz the ones you're using, can lead to confusion.

A Jivatman's surrender is a passing phase until it becomes Him (God), the ultimate goal in advaita when one becomes infallible and perfect in ones dharmic actions and lives to ones full genetic potential.

When the jivatman has surrendered the paramatman becomes active with the 'purusha' spirit overruling the 'dehi' spirit in the functioning of the jivatman. Paramatman is not normally present in atman because the 'purusha' spirit is missing.

To understand this, consider the following:

Brahman is the total energy of the universe (physical energy and consciousness energy), whereas atman is only the consciousness energy of the Universe, and is under the direction of its ‘dehi’ spirit. So in my synthesis of advaita atman is not Brahman. It is this dehi spirit that makes electrons move in atoms, other chemical bonds take place and the living being witnesses, lives, thinks and ages.

However, the atman is unable to witness or act until its dehi spirit is activated by Paramatman's ‘purusha’ spirit: and this is subsequently deactivated at death when it again ceases witnessing and acting and lies dormant until it is reactivated by purusha again. Once activated the entity becomes a jivaatman (a living being) which then witnesses and acts in accordance with the soul force of consciousness energy incorporating the three guna blends through the differentiated direction of dehi spirit.

When the jivatman surrenders to God (transcending the gunas), the dehi spirit is overruled by the purusha spirit of the Paramatman and then the jivaatman becomes God whose witnessing, awareness and actions are infallible and perfect in the dharmic actions that it undertakes.

Surrender is no longer an appropriate concept as the jivaatman no longer exists.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
As per Indian Constitution and law drawing a cartoon which may incite people belonging to another religion is considered a crime. With every right, there is also a responsibility.

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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Which doesn't legitimize the murder of a cartoonist by the hands of fanatics. Isn't that correct ?
No, it does not. It makes them two offenses. First the attempt to incite, and second the killing of the inciter however serious the incitement may have been. Whether there was incitement or not also is decided by courts (that is for Shad). Both offenses are punishable. People are not supposed to take the law in their hands. That is the responsibility of the courts. That is the law in India. We are not concerned with what is the law or what happens in other countries.
 
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