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Simple question. Will a third or even fourth political party ever break the two party dominance that is destroying the country?

Watchmen

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Premium Member
One thing I will say is I don’t like the tribal aspect of political parties (regardless of number). For example, why can’t I be for state rights AND abortion AND lower taxes for the rich AND immaculate water/environment? Things are so polarized and intolerant, a moderate like me feels shutout by both parties.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
Well we would first need to have a second, independent political party with the same degree of support and influence as the political party in control today, before we could have a third. What we have right now is really just a single authoritarian socialist political party with 2 wings for the purpose of giving the illusion that there are 2 political parties & being "moderate" in it merely means not leaning heavily towards one of the wings.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
I think we’re doing pretty good as a country. At least we don’t execute gay people like some countries.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
I want to see it happen before I die.

Anyone hopeful or confident we will see the two party system dominance destroyed once and for all anytime soon , or will we be in a perpetual two party hell until the country implodes under the weight of division fulfilling the saying, "Divided we fall"?
I don’t think that with the federal government system set up as it is now we will ever see anything other than two parties. The key is the administrative leg of the three legged federal government stool.
As long as you have a president, then any given party will want to have control of the presidency. Ergo, splitting part of your party away in order to create a more moderate or more extreme wing will result in utter and complete loss of any chance of ever achieving the powers of the presidency.

Perhaps we should consider that the founding fathers had many reservations about creating a presidency at all. It was disturbingly like having a king, and they had just completed the revolutionary war to throw off aristocracy and royalty.
If we only kept the judicial and legislative branches of the government, then the various seats in the Senate and the house could be filled with people from many many different parties and viewpoints.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I think we should all just vote for our favorite YouTube influencer.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Massive campaigns while getting money out of politics and utilizing a fundraising system to share what money?
An idea I had to help offset millionaires running for office is that 2/5 of any campaign's budget goes into a fund that is split between all candidates. So if a millionaire spends a million bucks of his own money he has to give $400,000 to the other candidates. Or better yet, all money raised or personally invested goes into a general fund that is divided between candidates. In my local political campaigns I get tons of brochures that say nothing. No political affiliation, no policies, just boilerplate phrases like "I'm for lower taxes". Which taxes? I think a good idea is to spend money on a program of all people that will be on the ballot. We also have t vote to retain judges. I've never heard of them, and have no idea why I'm uninformed of these people. Why can't my country send me info?
Are we speaking about individual donations? If so, why should anyone contribute?
Because they want their candidate to get exposure. There should be limits anyway, just to have some equal status for candidates.
What? Based on an ideal of a new un-tested system of government? How are we to understand our representatives without due process?
The way things are many candidates promote themselves in vague ways. I suggest more of a job interview approach.
Also, it takes time to establish an ability that isn't riddled with skeletons and wet mud.
Good point, perhaps we should have politicans sign ethics agreements and if they break the rules they are dismissed. If we really want change, then we had better hold politicians accountable fast.
In case you haven't noticed, a favored past time in America is digging up dirt and bones.
And if you have a dirty past, find some other job.
It takes money to campaign and if you don't have a name able to be trusted or considered, then why would anyone donate to a cause they know nothing about, not to mention the presence of bones and mud subject to inquiring and concerned minds?
It works for many thousands as it is.
My suggestion is to first create an honorable name, and a reputable family. If we truly wish to successfully contend in the larger arena of politics, these are a standard prerequisite.
And of course we need citizens that value dignity and ethics.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I want to see it happen before I die.

Anyone hopeful or confident we will see the two party system dominance destroyed once and for all anytime soon , or will we be in a perpetual two party hell until the country implodes under the weight of division fulfilling the saying, "Divided we fall"?

The question is likely...
When?
Forever is a long time.

It depends on exactly what you are talking about. I think it is possible to get more independent or third party people elected to Congress, or State Congress. It is even possible to get enough of them elected so that even if they have no chance of taking the majority they could still have power (king maker scenario).

But if you are thinking about a third party President, I don't see any scenario where that could happen within a lifetime.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
It depends on exactly what you are talking about. I think it is possible to get more independent or third party people elected to Congress, or State Congress. It is even possible to get enough of them elected so that even if they have no chance of taking the majority they could still have power (king maker scenario).

But if you are thinking about a third party President, I don't see any scenario where that could happen within a lifetime.
What percentage of people don't like either candidate the two major parties have offered and would rather have someone else?
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
What percentage of people don't like either candidate the two major parties have offered and would rather have someone else?
Whatever percentage it is, it won't magically create a third party President.

It is going to take a lot of work, years of hard work, decades of hard work.

And like I say, it is going to have to start by electing third party Congress people, State Congress people, building up a base etc.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Whatever percentage it is, it won't magically create a third party President.

It is going to take a lot of work, years of hard work, decades of hard work.

And like I say, it is going to have to start by electing third party Congress people, State Congress people, building up a base etc.
Or it's going to take a major event and/or issue big enough where a political party will collapse on its own and a new party takes its place.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Or it's going to take a major event and/or issue big enough where a political party will collapse on its own and a new party takes its place.
The GOP seems to be doing that right now--"primarying" all the common sense non-MAGAs, leaving only the crazies. Where will all the non-MAGAs go?
The DNC keeps picking candidates that are too neoliberal for the taste of their base. So, I'm thinking a MAGA party, a green party, and a neoliberal party (from the common sense GOP and the neoliberal Dems.)
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Some people did sincerely believe that. Others knew it was not true but said it anyway to support a war they wanted.
Iraqi General Georges Sada in 22 had stated that the weapons of mass destruction were shipped to the interior of Syria under Saddam's orders.

 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Or it's going to take a major event and/or issue big enough where a political party will collapse on its own and a new party takes its place.
Which will just shuffle two parties around like the liberal Republican party of Lincoln which became the conservative party during the civil rights era after WW2, or are you referring to the demise of the Whig party where Liberals won out over the Nativists?
 

MayPeaceBeUpOnYou

Active Member
No they didn’t
I can recall a whistle blower. I think they even made movies about its called Fair game 2020.


Edit: my mistake the whistle blower was a other case where a woman had a NSA memo in possession that proved the uk and USA was spying and blackmailing other counties so the vote for the invasion of Iraq comes through .Official Secrets is what it was called
 
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