Single Payer Health Care

[Salvador]

If employers were no longer required to spend on healthcare, their expenses would drop and they could deliver their products and services at lower prices. Do you know if the saving has been estimated and included in the savings for the consumer?

Based on figures provided by the Kaiser Family Foundation, employers spent ca. $842 billion on health insurance coverage for their employees in 2017, and their employees spent ca. $226 billion in contributions to their employer sponsored health insurance plans in 2017,

Average Annual Single Premium per Enrolled Employee For Employer-Based Health Insurance

 

[dianaiad]

It seems to work ok in every other developed country on the planet.

Except, of course, that it doesn't.

 

[dianaiad]

Medicare works just fine. The State isn't delivering healthcare.

You have GOT to be kidding.

Wait...aren't you in agreement with whatsername that the Department of Veteran's affairs 'works just fine?"

 

[Salvador]

You have GOT to be kidding.

Wait...aren't you in agreement with whatsername that the Department of Veteran's affairs 'works just fine?"

"Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is correct, the VA is not broken, it is doing great. But that is only because of the Trump Administration. We got Veterans Choice & Accountability passed." - President Donald J. Trump, @realDonaldTrump ...

“President Trump deserves a lot of credit.” - Dan Caldwell, Concerned Veterans of America

 

[sooda]

You have GOT to be kidding.

Wait...aren't you in agreement with whatsername that the Department of Veteran's affairs 'works just fine?"

Oh.. you don't know the difference.. The VA is socialized medicine .. The government owns the facilities and pays doctors and staff. Medicare is single payer/private delivery.

 

[joe1776]

Based on figures provided by the Kaiser Family Foundation, employers spent ca. $842 billion on health insurance coverage for their employees in 2017, and their employees spent ca. $226 billion in contributions to their employer sponsored health insurance plans in 2017,

Average Annual Single Premium per Enrolled Employee For Employer-Based Health Insurance

Thanks for your response but I didn't make my question clear. If expenses for employers drop by $842 billion, they should be able to remain just as profitable while reducing prices of their products and services by $842 billion (roughly). I was wondering if an estimate for this factor has been included in the benefits for consumers. I suspect that it has not been included -- so the consumer benefit is underestimated.

 

[joe1776]

"Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is correct, the VA is not broken, it is doing great. But that is only because of the Trump Administration. We got Veterans Choice & Accountability passed." - President Donald J. Trump, @realDonaldTrump ...

“President Trump deserves a lot of credit.” - Dan Caldwell, Concerned Veterans of America

Sorry, my friend. You're spreading fake news.

Trump and the Veterans Choice Program - FactCheck.org

 

[Salvador]

Sorry, my friend. You're spreading fake news.

Trump and the Veterans Choice Program - FactCheck.org

Your source states that Trump "has used executive orders to advance veterans-specific policies, including one aimed at increasing accountability at the VA and adding protections for whistleblowers. Another extends mental health coverage to all veterans during the first-year transition back to civilian life." So then, it's not fake news that the VA is not broken and is doing well with helping out Veterans due in part to executive orders from our POTUS. ....

 

[joe1776]

Your source states that Trump "has used executive orders to advance veterans-specific policies, including one aimed at increasing accountability at the VA and adding protections for whistleblowers. Another extends mental health coverage to all veterans during the first-year transition back to civilian life." So then, it's not fake news that the VA is not broken and is doing well with helping out Veterans due in part to executive orders from our POTUS. ....

No, no... I can't let you tap dance your way out of this.

Your post No. 24 reads:

"Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is correct, the VA is not broken, it is doing great. But that is only because of the Trump Administration. We got Veterans Choice & Accountability passed." - President Donald J. Trump, @realDonaldTrump ...

The factcheck.org site I linked explains that:

The president has continued the Veterans Choice Program, a program started in 2014 following a scandal over wait times at Veterans Affairs facilities. The program was created through the Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act, a bipartisan bill that was signed by President Barack Obama.

 

[Salvador]

No, no... I can't let you tap dance your way out of this.

Your post No. 24 reads:


The factcheck.org site I linked explains that:

The president has continued the Veterans Choice Program, a program started in 2014 following a scandal over wait times at Veterans Affairs facilities. The program was created through the Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act, a bipartisan bill that was signed by President Barack Obama.

Sorry, I was fooled by Trump's false claim misleading me to believe that it was he who deserved some credit for passage of the Veterans Choice and Accountability Act. ... I'm disappointed in our POTUS for having made such a misleading claim. I can't defend Trump's misleading claims.

 

[Salvador]

Thanks for your response but I didn't make my question clear. If expenses for employers drop by $842 billion, they should be able to remain just as profitable while reducing prices of their products and services by $842 billion (roughly). I was wondering if an estimate for this factor has been included in the benefits for consumers. I suspect that it has not been included -- so the consumer benefit is underestimated.

If replacing ca. $1.1 trillion of annual spending on employer sponsored health care private insurance with comparable medicare health insurance coverage costing taxpayers ca. $800 billion annually, then the net cost savings benefit would be ca. $300 billion annually; this Medicare health insurance in place of employer sponsored health insurance would then on average save nearly $1,300 annually per each adult American consumer..

 

[ecco]

I've had two reasons come up this last week to say yes, hearing a care provider complain about the complexity of working with different insurers and me wishing I had had some sort of coverable injury so I could get massage and chiropractic therapy.

Rule #1 of staying healthy: Avoid Chiropractors.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Except, of course, that it doesn't.

Is this the part where you explain to me, an Australian, how terrible my healthcare service is?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No, no... I can't let you tap dance your way out of this.

Your post No. 24 reads:



The factcheck.org site I linked explains that:

The president has continued the Veterans Choice Program, a program started in 2014 following a scandal over wait times at Veterans Affairs facilities. The program was created through the Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act, a bipartisan bill that was signed by President Barack Obama.

Yeah, but facts have such an unfair liberal bias [/s]

 

[Fool]

The USPS is an agency created by the US government as per the Constitution and created by the first POTUS.... One isolated link you pull from a website does not change this nor does a lack of .gov.

Postal Service Act - Wikipedia

the US post office is a for profit institution and thus cannot legally be a government institution. the government isn't considered a profit/nonprofit. it is a system setup for the creating, enforcing, and maintaining the interest of the people.

The U.S. Postal Service has been around longer than the IRS. It was founded in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, by Benjamin Franklin, who was also named the first Postmaster General. You can still have your letters postmarked "B. Free Franklin" by hand in Franklin's post office located at 3rd and Market - and take a tour while you're at it.





If you recall that there was a postal service before the United States won its independence, you're not wrong. But the U.S. Postal Service as we know it today was authorized by the U.S. Constitution at Article I, Section 8, which says, in part:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States…

To establish post offices and post roads;

 

[ecco]

Here is a good reason to not let the govt be in control of healthcare.

Charlie Gard case - Wikipedia

Yeah I'm not ok with the govt deciding whether I am worth the risk of treatment or not.

Dang Right! It's much better to have executives of for-profit insurance companies make those decisions.

Are you aware that insurance companies have staffs of people whose sole purpose is to find ways to deny coverage. Are you aware that these people get commissions based on how much money they save.

The Health Claim Game: Fight Back When Insurers Deny Claims - AARP The Magazine
Patient advocates say insurance companies have become increasingly aggressive in denying claims, especially expensive treatments for diseases such as Parkinson's and cancer. "We're seeing more high-dollar-value claims rejected than before, for categories of illnesses that had historically been pretty sacrosanct," says Kevin Lembo, who as Connecticut's health care advocate helps families deal with insurers. Lembo's advice: "Don't accept the insurance company's word as final. It is not, nor should it be."​

 

[Enoch07]

Are you aware that insurance companies have staffs of people whose sole purpose is to find ways to deny coverage.

Oh I am fully aware. I recently had to call my insurance company and hold my own life hostage (by threatening suicide) because they wouldn't approve an MRI. It was approved 2 hours later.

What you fail to realize is govt is extremely slow due to so much red tape and bureaucracy. If you need a surgery within the next month to save your life, you might as well kiss your grit goodbye, because it will take the govt a minimum of 6 months to make a decision.

At least if healthcare is private and I am no longer happy, I can take my money elsewhere. Once govt takes over your stuck with it.

 

[ecco]

I can take my money elsewhere. Once govt takes over your stuck with it.

The Govt provides Medicare. Most people who have Medicare sign up with a private company for additional benefits. So, let's say you sign up with ABCco and a year later you find they suck. So, next year you drop ABCco and go with XYZco. Do you really believe XYZco is going to be better that ABCco? Why? What kind of research can you do? Also, executives change. Policies change.

 

[Enoch07]

The Govt provides Medicare. Most people who have Medicare sign up with a private company for additional benefits.

A system like that may work. So long as the govt is not the sole provider and decision maker.

 

[ecco]

The Democrats use the same playbook tricks every election cycle. They promise freebies in exchange for votes.

Since this is a healthcare thread I won't mention the "freebies" promised by Bloviator-in-Chief:
Wall paid for by Mexico
Return of Coal miners jobs
Return of steel manufacturing
Return of Automobile manufacturing

Instead I'll stick to the thread and remind the Sheeples that Freebie-Promising-Candidate Trump vowed to overturn ObamaCare and:

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”​

After Donald 'Nobody knew health care could be so complicated' Trump had control of all branches of Government he failed - miserably.