Slaughtering of 'Bakra' does not mean Qurbani: Irrfan Khan

[Amanava]

http://www.indiatvnews.com/entertai...ing-goats-comment-muslim-clerics-irked-337338

Ahead of Eid- Ul- Fitr, actor Irrfan Khan during a promotional event in Jaipur yesterday said that there was no sacrifice in buying two goats and slaughtering them.

“Where is the sacrifice if you buy goats from the market and kill them? Which prayer will be answered this way? How can killing someone become an act of goodness? We should ask ourselves what our festivals actually mean ” Irrfan said at the event.

“We are blessed to be in a nation where each religion is given equal respect”, added Irrfan.

Irrfan also said that people should self introspect rather than fasting during the month of Ramzan.

"Rather than fasting during Ramzan, people should self-introspect. Animals are being slaughtered on the name of qurbaani during Muharram. We, Muslims, have made a mockery of Muharram. It is meant for mourning and what we do? Take out (tajiya) processions," he said.

I think, he is absolutely right and on point. Its time for Introspection. I personally cannot tolerate all the bloodshed that will be happening in the muslim populated areas of my city. I cannot watch that horror on Bakri-ed.....Someone has to do something about this

 

[Vinayaka]

Namaste: Welcome to the forum, by the way.

I empathize with your situation, but see no real and obvious solution. Whenever two such really different religions are living side by side, this kind of stuff comes up. Little wonder people move. Surely, for some kind of harmony, some sort of compromise can be had. I'd personally vote for am outright ban on animal sacrifice.

Aum Namasivaya

 

[Chakra]

Highly doubt any religion requires animal sacrifice.

Namaste: Welcome to the forum, by the way.

I empathize with your situation, but see no real and obvious solution. Whenever two such really different religions are living side by side, this kind of stuff comes up. Little wonder people move. Surely, for some kind of harmony, some sort of compromise can be had. I'd personally vote for am outright ban on animal sacrifice.

Aum Namasivaya

Not just animal sacrifice, but as technology and science improves in the coming decades, we can expect a drastic shift in the way we look at animals.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Synthetic meat, but that is at least some time away.

 

[SomeRandom]

I thought it was popular to have a symbolic sacrifice using watermelons these days.

 

[Vinayaka]

It seemed to me when in India that there is 'intent to insult' in some of this stuff. We were walking the alleys in Madurai around our hotel, and ran into a butcher shop right beside a small Murugan temple. The meat was hanging right out on the street, on the side of the temple. So it's like that carnivore 'friend' of yours who waves his steak in your face.

@Amanava ... do you feel there is intent to insult there in Jaipur?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Irrfan Khan (a Mumbai actor, who recently did a Hollywood stint) is apolitical. I do not think there was any intent to deride a religion, Islam or Hinduism, in what he said. What he said was more for Muslims than for Hindus. Yes, in Tamilnadu there can be an attempt to mock Brahmins, but not Murugan. It is not brahmins only who worship Murugan. Just one of the things that happens, a butchers shop and a temple side by side, as I take it.

I thought it was popular to have a symbolic sacrifice using watermelons these days.

No, SomeRandom, no watermelons sacrificed in North India.

 

[Amanava]

Irrfan Khan (a Mumbai actor, who recently did a Hollywood stint) is apolitical. I do not think there was any intent to deride a religion, Islam or Hinduism, in what he said. What he said was more for Muslims than for Hindus. Yes, in Tamilnadu there can be an attempt to mock Brahmins, but not Murugan. It is not brahmins only who worship Murugan. Just one of the things that happens, a butchers shop and a temple side by side, as I take it.
No, SomeRandom, no watermelons sacrificed in North India.

are uu secular or what ?

 

[Amanava]

It seemed to me when in India that there is 'intent to insult' in some of this stuff. We were walking the alleys in Madurai around our hotel, and ran into a butcher shop right beside a small Murugan temple. The meat was hanging right out on the street, on the side of the temple. So it's like that carnivore 'friend' of yours who waves his steak in your face.

@Amanava ... do you feel there is intent to insult there in Jaipur?

It goes both ways, there is a recent article on timesofindia saying this:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-riots-during-Ramzan/articleshow/52980868.cms

Apparently these muslims in Hyderabad do not sing national anthem and clearly are anti national( many of them) and they do things like planting meat in temples like as said in the article they want to plant beef at Bhagyalakshmi temple in Hyderabad even though it said ISIS affiliated but its the common sentinment..........

These low lives born in india, live in india , eat from india and they abuse the culture of India..Clearly anti national ones and most of them are like that. Pathetic

 

[Vinayaka]

It goes both ways, there is a recent article on timesofindia saying this:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-riots-during-Ramzan/articleshow/52980868.cms

Apparently these muslims in Hyderabad do not sing national anthem and clearly are anti national( many of them) and they do things like planting meat in temples like as said in the article they want to plant beef at Bhagyalakshmi temple in Hyderabad even though it said ISIS affiliated but its the common sentinment..........

These low lives born in india, live in india , eat from india and they abuse the culture of India..Clearly anti national ones and most of them are like that. Pathetic

Thank you ... pretty much confirmed what I thought from my very short time in India. Not everyone is so radical, but i did bump into a few.

 

[Amanava]

Thank you ... pretty much confirmed what I thought from my very short time in India. Not everyone is so radical, but i did bump into a few.

you should come back to the beautiful India anyway .The smell of the mud, the smell of the beautiful flowers

 

[Vinayaka]

you should come back to the beautiful India anyway .The smell of the mud, the smell of the beautiful flowers

I've been twice to TN mostly, although there were a couple of days in Delhi. 3 weeks each time ... I don't believe I'll make it back ... with the chronological age of this physical body, the jet-lag and risks of illness could kill it (this physical bag of bones I live in) off.

 

[Aupmanyav]

are uu secular or what ?

No, I am not. I am an Orthodox Grandpa Hindu.
As I said, Irrfan's comment was not directed towards Hindus. He has riled the Muslim clergy by speaking on 'qurbani'.
https://www.google.co.in/webhp?sour...F-8#newwindow=1&q=Irrfan+angers+muslim+clergy
By God's grace, you will come back to India one day, @Vinayaka.

 

[Chakra]

There is something very special about India... I need to visit it again.

I've been to Jaipur before. Great city!

 

[Amanava]

There is something very special about India... I need to visit it again.

I've been to Jaipur before. Great city!

My brother and sis both are in US, they say that there flowers do not smell, I cannot know for sure. I love the beautiful fragrance of our flowers and smell of mud especially when it rains it is beautiful. Our land has something special to it, and hence Bharatha is called as Karma Bhoomi, the only place where you can get released from clutches of Karma, other lands are called Bhoga bhoomis(for enjoyment they are ok)

I will visit US definitely soon but for mostly money

 

[Chakra]

My brother and sis both are in US, they say that there flowers do not smell, I cannot know for sure. I love the beautiful fragrance of our flowers and smell of mud especially when it rains it is beautiful. Our land has something special to it, and hence Bharatha is called as Karma Bhoomi, the only place where you can get released from clutches of Karma, other lands are called Bhoga bhoomis(for enjoyment they are ok)

I will visit US definitely soon but for mostly money

Haha, I've never tried smelling the flowers, but I will now.

I feel that if the government and the people could actively fix the socioeconomic problems of India, then many Western Indians (not sure what the actual term is) would not mind settling in India. It's unfortunate that corrupt governments have ruined countries like India.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Haha, I've never tried smelling the flowers, but I will now.

I feel that if the government and the people could actively fix the socioeconomic problems of India, then many Western Indians (not sure what the actual term is) would not mind settling in India. It's unfortunate that corrupt governments have ruined countries like India.

Don't worry. India is strongly on the uptake. It is changing fast in its own way. We have a nice Prime Minister in chair not a rubber-stamp.

That is strange. Here, if the flowers do not have smell, we do not consider them flowers. Even the trees for that matter, Harsingar, Maulshree, etc.
(Underline mine)

 

[Chakra]

Hopefully, Aup-dada.

One thing I've always wondered about religious that advocate sacrifice (including Hindu sects) is how the sacrifice actually means anything. OK, so you sacrificed an innocent animal...but you didn't sacrifice anything. If anything, only the sacrificed animal will get all the merit (as it did the act of sacrifice) and the sacrifice-er will be left with nothing. I am wondering if any Hindu from a non-sacrificing sect agrees with me.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Many may have agreed with you, but alas, they are no more (the Charvaks).
Sacrifice is what one gives up for a cause. That is 'qurbani' too, not killing of animals. That is what Irrfan Khan was saying.
Harsingar (Har/Hari shringar, adornment of Har/Hari, take it whichever way you like) Parijat tree (the heavenly tree), Maulshree tree

 

[निताइ dasa]

Hopefully, Aup-dada.

One thing I've always wondered about religious that advocate sacrifice (including Hindu sects) is how the sacrifice actually means anything. OK, so you sacrificed an innocent animal...but you didn't sacrifice anything. If anything, only the sacrificed animal will get all the merit (as it did the act of sacrifice) and the sacrifice-er will be left with nothing. I am wondering if any Hindu from a non-sacrificing sect agrees with me.

This is also Lord Chaitanya's opinion. When Chand Kazi asked Him why the Vedas prescribe animal sacrifices, He, said the sacrifices in the Vedas were done for the benefit of the animals. He said that Vedic Rishis would kill an animal and then revive it into a new body via Vedic Mantras, resulting in great auspiciousness for the animals and also generate good karma for the performer..