So, how does this system work??

[Ninerays]

Qu'ran Alone sounds like a "back to the basics"movement, but how can you conform to the Qu'ran without observing some of the traditions around it?Wasn't wudu, for example, described in a Hadith and the Qu'ran does say that ablutions before salaat is necessary...

 

[TashaN]

Qu'ran Alone sounds like a "back to the basics"movement, but how can you conform to the Qu'ran without observing some of the traditions around it?Wasn't wudu, for example, described in a Hadith and the Qu'ran does say that ablutions before salaat is necessary...

Me too, i have no idea. Those who believe in "Quran alone" might come over and explain for us.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

I always tried to understand this, but never convinced..

I don't believe they are really a sect, they didnt add to religion or changed it, yet they deleted stuff!

 

[Bishka]

I don't believe they are really a sect, they didnt add to religion or changed it, yet they deleted stuff!

I believe they are a sect, because they still believe in some tenets of Islam, and if they have a belief, that's good enough for me. This thread is not for bashing Qur'an alone believers but for asking them questions.

 

[MaddLlama]

Is this anything like Calvanism?

 

[maro]

I believe they are a sect, because they still believe in some tenets of Islam

unlike christianity, you can't be a muslim by believing in some tenets of the religion , and leaving another
in islam , you either take it , or leave it

there might be a christian who doesn't believe in the judgment day ,unlike the main stream of christians..
but in islam denying ,the judgment day is kuffr (disbelief )

we can excuse people ,of course , because of their ignorance

but if they insist to deny any of the tenets of islam , after clarifying things to them ,
all the scholars said that they are not muslims any more

 

[Bishka]

unlike christianity, you can't be a muslim by believing in some tenets of the religion , and leaving another
in islam , you either take it , or leave it

there might be a christian who doesn't believe in the judgment day ,unlike the main stream of christians..
but in islam denying ,the judgment day is kuffr (disbelief )

we can excuse people ,of course , because of their ignorance

but if they insist to deny any of the tenets of islam , after clarifying things to them ,
all the scholars said that they are not muslims any more

This isn't your choice, it's theres.

 

[zenzero]

Friends,
Can god be removed if all forms of religions were not known.
No.
Actually when man after it has evolved stated to realise that it is part of another system the search started . It was achived by many people but few went about to inform others as to how to reach the source and then there followers made the WAY into an organised religion slowly as with any organisation the organisation becomes important and in focus rather than the WAY.
One has to find a suitable way for reaching the source if that is so then one can automatically come across n nos. of ways as soon as the search engine is started.
No need to go into small details the main objective is important.
Love & rgds

 

[AbuQuteiba]

This isn't your choice, it's theres.

Choosing this way of life is without a doubt, their choice. But like Maro said, in Islam, you can't believe in some parts, and leave the rest. This is very clear in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. And choosing the Qur'an alone very much deletes vital parts of Islam, which can only be found in the Prophet(SAWS)'s sunnah, his example. Of course, like a member said before, this isn't the place for bashing this sect. But an answer from them to the question of the thread would be nice.

 

[McBell]

Is this anything like Calvanism?

I do not believe so.
I would say it is more like sola scriptura or perhaps King James Onlyism.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

I really would like for someone of this mindset to explain it because it is lost on me. If one intends never to follow any sunnah, how then do they compensate for the vital parts missing? Like, how to fast for example. I find that Quran is a book that explains what to do, but does not necessarily explain how it is to be done. It would really help if someone would explain it.

Like it was said before, we can't argue here so a simple explaination will do.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

I really would like for someone of this mindset to explain it because it is lost on me. If one intends never to follow any sunnah, how then do they compensate for the vital parts missing? Like, how to fast for example. I find that Quran is a book that explains what to do, but does not necessarily explain how it is to be done. It would really help if someone would explain it.

Like it was said before, we can't argue here so a simple explaination will do.

I second that too...

The Quran has the main lines of our religion, but doesn't actually has every detail of what we have to do..
Quran and Sunna complement each other..
May any one of the ''Quran only'' people come and explain this to us?

 

[Booko]

Ask Jamesi for a start.

I have a question for the non-Qu'ran alone Muslims that might be relevant, though, because as an ex-Calvinist I can easily imagine keeping the Qu'ran but declining to pay attention to much of the conflicting tradition in Islam.

How does one decide what is and isn't kuffir?

Who gets to decide, and where did Muhammad (pbuh) say
so?

If there are multiple opinions on some interpretation, how is the individual believer to decide which interpretation is best?

 

[TashaN]

as an ex-Calvinist I can easily imagine keeping the Qu'ran but declining to pay attention to much of the conflicting tradition in Islam.

What do you mean excatly by the conflicting tradition in Islam?

How does one decide what is and isn't kuffir?

Who gets to decide, and where did Muhammad (pbuh) say
so?

If there are multiple opinions on some interpretation, how is the individual believer to decide which interpretation is best?

You might ask these questions in the general Islam DIR where all Muslims can see.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Ask Jamesi for a start.

I have a question for the non-Qu'ran alone Muslims that might be relevant, though, because as an ex-Calvinist I can easily imagine keeping the Qu'ran but declining to pay attention to much of the conflicting tradition in Islam.

What conflicting tradition there is only one islam and one tradition. I am not following you.

How does one decide what is and isn't kuffir?

by the statements of Allah and His Messenger.

Who gets to decide, and where did Muhammad (pbuh) say
so?

I already answered this and I agree with the truth post it in the islam forum.
If there are multiple opinions on some interpretation, how is the individual believer to decide which interpretation is best?[/quote]

 

[Zakaria]

Peace be upon you

Almight God sent the final prophet (a messenger who delivers a scripture) Muhammad with Quran.

In Quran God says that it confirms and supersedes all previous scriptures:

[5:44] We have sent down the Torah, containing guidance and light. Ruling in accordance with it were the Jewish prophets, as well as the rabbis and the priests, as dictated to them in GOD's scripture, and as witnessed by them. Therefore, do not reverence human beings; you shall reverence Me instead. And do not trade away My revelations for a cheap price. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the disbelievers.

[5:45] And we decreed for them in it that: the life for the life, the eye for the eye, the nose for the nose, the ear for the ear, the tooth for the tooth, and an equivalent injury for any injury. If one forfeits what is due to him as a charity, it will atone for his sins. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the unjust.

[5:46] Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous.

[5:47] The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with GOD's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the wicked.

[5:48] Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.

Thus, Quran is the ultimate source and the final testament to entire humanity.

Muhammad's sole mission was to deliver the Quran, however, after his death, in order to divert people from Quran, Satan fabricated Hadith & Sunnah, rivaling God's book. Muslims, generation after generation started to follow these doctrines that has nothing to do with Muhammad.

Hadith & Sunnah books preaches the idolatry of Muhammad, his family and companions, while Quran preaches the worship of God alone - the same one god who sent all previouse scriptures and messengers to guide the people.

Moreover, God tells us in Quran that He has permitted the human/jinn devil's to fabricate these laws and thus expose their real conviction, and those who follow them.

[6:112] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

[6:113] This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.

In the verses that follows God tells us that Quran is fully detaliled, and complete - no need for any other source.

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

[6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

[6:117] Your Lord is fully aware of those who stray off His path, and He is fully aware of those who are guided.

Zakaria

 

[TashaN]

Muhammad's sole mission was to deliver the Quran

Do you have any verse from the Quran which proves this claim?

however, after his death, in order to divert people from Quran, Satan fabricated Hadith & Sunnah, rivaling God's book. Muslims, generation after generation started to follow these doctrines that has nothing to do with Muhammad.

Did you meet Satan personaly and he told you that he fabrictaed it?

If you didn't, then how do you know?

I can tell you right now that Satan is messing with your head to tell us these stuff.

I hope that you have a solid proof to depend on instead of calling anything which you don't agree with Satanic.

Hadith & Sunnah books preaches the idolatry of Muhammad, his family and companions

When you sit for the last Rak'a, what do you excatly say about Mohammed and his family in the final Tashahud?


Thank you.

 

[Zakaria]

Peace, The Truth

Muhammad's sole duty was to deliver the Quran, the whole Quran, and nothing but Quran:

[Quran 6:19] (O Muhammad) say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "GOD's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods* beside GOD." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."

*6:19 This verse proclaims the Quran as the only source of religious guidance. Those who uphold additional sources, such as Hadith & Sunna (lies attributed to the Prophet), are defined as idolaters. Rashad Khalifa

When you sit for the last Rak'a, what do you excatly say about Mohammed and his family in the final Tashahud?

I say, "Ash-hado Anna: La ilaaha illa Allaah" (I bear witness that: There is no god except God)

This is the correct Shahaada by 1) God, 2) the angels and 3) those who know.

[Quran 3:18] GOD bears witness that there is no god except He, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

Satan added Muhammad's name after the prophets death, to make us orbit around Muhammad instead God. Muhammad said the same Shahaada, since he uttered Quran, and there is no "...Muhammad Rasolo Allaah" to be added in the shahaada. In entire Quran, the shahaada is dedicated to God alone.

[Quran 37:35] When they were told, "Lã Elãha Ella Allãh [There is no other god beside GOD]," they turned arrogant.

Also, the places of worship (masajid, where you prostrate) belongs to God alone, so we are forbidden from calling upon any other name beside God's; in the salat, putting names on walls in the mosques etc.

[Quran 72:18] The places of worship belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.

Did you meet Satan personaly and he told you that he fabrictaed it?

If you didn't, then how do you know?

God tells us in 6:112 that he permitted the devils among the jinns and humans to fabricated words, rivaling the scriptre the prophet comes with. I wrote about it in the post before.

Zakaria

 

[Peace]

*6:19 This verse proclaims the Quran as the only source of religious guidance. Those who uphold additional sources, such as Hadith & Sunna (lies attributed to the Prophet), are defined as idolaters. Rashad Khalifa

If you continue to follow that Rashad Khalifa believe me he will drag you with him to the pit of hellfire. Wake up Zakaria and repent to God before it's too late!

I say, "Ash-hado Anna: La ilaaha illa Allaah" (I bear witness that: There is no god except God)

Then your tashahud is imcomplete and thus incorrect. Just tell me how do you know how to pray and how many rak`as and how to do the ablution .....? Isn't it from Prophet Muhammad pbuh and his Sunnah?

Satan added Muhammad's name after the prophets death, to make us orbit around Muhammad instead God. Muhammad said the same Shahaada, since he uttered Quran, and there is no "...Muhammad Rasolo Allaah" to be added in the shahaada. In entire Quran, the shahaada is dedicated to God alone.

Do you know the Arabic language, I mean do you understand it? If you really do you must know that what we say in tashahud is praising Allah and testifying that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and we send our salutations to him and his household as it is the case with Prophet Abraham and his household. Are we taking here partners beside Allah? May Allah forbid!

Also, the places of worship (masajid, where you prostrate) belongs to God alone, so we are forbidden from calling upon any other name beside God's; in the salat, putting names on walls in the mosques etc.

We do not call anybody or anything beside God, we pray to God alone and we worship Allah alone.
I advice you Zakaria to repent to God and return back to the right path before it's too late, the path you are following is the path of Satan who is happy with you and with what you are saying here.

Peace

 

[lilithu]

There is a difference between asking a friendly question in order to better understand someone's beliefs and asking them to justify their faith to you. I would hope that the latter is not allowed in the DIRs.