So I just watched Star Trek Into Darkness...

[Kerr]

Hi all.

First I would like to say that I liked the movie. It was great. But there is one thing that keeps bugging me. Khan is supposed to be smart. Really smart. But in the movie he doesnt appear to be. His plan almost seemed to end when he came to Kronos and then he mostly seemed to react rather then plan ahead. Did his plan go above my head or was he just not portrayed as very bright?

Take care,
Kerr.

 

[Sha'irullah]

In the movie he was indeed smart. And it was his plan to be captured from the very beginning.
As it was stated by Kirk in the film, Khan was suing them and not the other way around.

 

[Kerr]

In the movie he was indeed smart. And it was his plan to be captured from the very beginning.
As it was stated by Kirk in the film, Khan was suing them and not the other way around.

So his plan was basically to make Starfleet send someone after him so he could steal the big ship? How did he know what would happen? Did he have inside information?

 

[Willamena]

So his plan was basically to make Starfleet send someone after him so he could steal the big ship? How did he know what would happen? Did he have inside information?

He formerly worked for Admiral Marcus.

 

[Kerr]

He formerly worked for Admiral Marcus.

Which means he knew they would send someone who would try to arrest him and not blow him up, as admiral Marcus ordered? Maybe I was fast to say he had no plan, I just didnt see the plan (sometimes I am slow). And I still dont really see it clearly.

 

[Rakhel]

So that's what this movie is about. The first Khan/Kirk battle.

 

[Sha'irullah]

So that's what this movie is about. The first Khan/Kirk battle.

Wrong, it is a combination of the two. It is essentially a combination of the first and second battle with Khan but it has story rewrites and serious script changes. But it is essentially fully intact

 

[Kerr]

So that's what this movie is about. The first Khan/Kirk battle.

Spoiler: A spoiler

its Spock that shouts "Khaaannn" in this one .

 

[Sha'irullah]

Which means he knew they would send someone who would try to arrest him and not blow him up, as admiral Marcus ordered? Maybe I was fast to say he had no plan, I just didnt see the plan (sometimes I am slow). And I still dont really see it clearly.

Khan knew everything about the Admiral essentially because he created all of his weapons. What would an admiral do if he wanted to efficiently destroy the Enterprise? He would send a war ship and who created the best warship....Khan. Khan made all of the Admirals weapons and technology. So Khan knew fully well he would exploit this.
That is why Khan is a genius . He is always ahead no matter what you think

 

[Kerr]

Khan knew everything about the Admiral essentially because he created all of his weapons. What would an admiral do if he wanted to efficiently destroy the Enterprise? He would send a war ship and who created the best warship....Khan. Khan made all of the Admirals weapons and technology. So Khan knew fully well he would exploit this.
That is why Khan is a genius . He is always ahead no matter what you think

Did he make up a plan to get aboard or was he just going to improvise ? And am I to assume he did a lot of reading about Kirk, since he was the captain of the Enterprise? Or that he knew the Enterprise would be sent because it was the most advanced official ship of Starfleet? And that he knew the admiral well enough to not send his big ship directly and personally blow him up?

 

[Sha'irullah]

Did he make up a plan to get aboard or was he just going to improvise ? And am I to assume he did a lot of reading about Kirk, since he was the captain of the Enterprise? Or that he knew the Enterprise would be sent because it was the most advanced official ship of Starfleet? And that he knew the admiral well enough to not send his big ship directly and personally blow him up?

All of these things were implied except for how Khan would get off the Enterprise. That is the only unexplained part of the movie but other than that Khan directly stated or it was implied he already knew.
So far it is known Khan wanted to be on the Enterprise and he knew the Admiral would send the Dreadnought(the bigger ship) to engage Kirk. But it was never revealed if Khan had a specific plan to get aboard the Dreadnought, that part of the film was unclear but we do know he wanted to use it.

 

[Kerr]

All of these things were implied except for how Khan would get off the Enterprise. That is the only unexplained part of the movie but other than that Khan directly stated or it was implied he already knew.
So far it is known Khan wanted to be on the Enterprise and he knew the Admiral would send the Dreadnought(the bigger ship) to engage Kirk. But it was never revealed if Khan had a specific plan to get aboard the Dreadnought, that part of the film was unclear but we do know he wanted to use it.

Ok. Why would the admiral send Enterprise? He was just going to destroy it with the Dreadnought and I am unsure of why he simply didnt make up an excuse not to send the Enterprise and then dealt with Khan himself (thats more about the admiral then Khan, though).

EDIT:

I feel a bit stupid, tbh. Sometimes I am just not good with implicit stuff.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Ok. Why would the admiral send Enterprise? He was just going to destroy it with the Dreadnought and I am unsure of why he simply didnt make up an excuse not to send the Enterprise and then dealt with Khan himself (thats more about the admiral then Khan, though).

EDIT:

I feel a bit stupid, tbh. Sometimes I am just not good with implicit stuff.

If you recall, Khan escaped from the Admiral and went to Kronos and gave Kirk 72 torpedoes filled with the bodies of Khan's men. The Admiral wanted Kirk to destroy the bodies by firing the torpedoes and when Kirk would do so it would also start a war with the Klingon's. The Admiral wanted a wa to occur to begin with. He wanted Khan to escape to Kronos and trick Kirk into chasing him and attacking the Klingon planet.

 

[Kerr]

If you recall, Khan escaped from the Admiral and went to Kronos and gave Kirk 72 torpedoes filled with the bodies of Khan's men. The Admiral wanted Kirk to destroy the bodies by firing the torpedoes and when Kirk would do so it would also start a war with the Klingon's. The Admiral wanted a wa to occur to begin with. He wanted Khan to escape to Kronos and trick Kirk into chasing him and attacking the Klingon planet.

Did he want Kirk to attack to protect himself? Blame the war on a captain who just lost someone close and then went rouge in the name of vengence. Was that why he didnt go himself?

Did Khan go to Kronos because he knew the admiral would use that opportunity to start a war, and blame it on Kirk (while he knew Kirk would take him in instead)?

Also, why would the admiral want a war with the klingons at that time? He already thought Starfleet was too weak for it. Even with the Dreadnought I dont see how he would think he would have a chance. Logically (to me at least) he should have waited and built a lot more of them. Or did he have more already?

 

[Aquitaine]

I liked the part where they blew up the Death Star.

 

[Willamena]

Wrong, it is a combination of the two. It is essentially a combination of the first and second battle with Khan but it has story rewrites and serious script changes. But it is essentially fully intact

It takes place in an alternate universe. It's not required to be the same script.

 

[Sha'irullah]

It takes place in an alternate universe. It's not required to be the same script.

I know, but the inspiration behind it was the first 2 Khan episodes and the movie. Both of which were meshed together in 1 film and altered. Brilliant if you ask me

 

[Penumbra]

Hi all.

First I would like to say that I liked the movie. It was great. But there is one thing that keeps bugging me. Khan is supposed to be smart. Really smart. But in the movie he doesnt appear to be. His plan almost seemed to end when he came to Kronos and then he mostly seemed to react rather then plan ahead. Did his plan go above my head or was he just not portrayed as very bright?

Take care,
Kerr.

Spoiler: Star Trek Spoilers

His early plan was clearly intelligent because he took down so many top admirals. Then Khan went to Kronos so that they would come to get him with the missiles (his crew), and he let himself get captured so that he could further his plans to get the missiles/crew and eventually get command of a ship. He was very familiar with that bad Admiral guy and he expected him to take steps similar to what he did. It also seemed that triggering an eventual war between the Klingon Empire and the Federation of Planets was a possible outcome of his plan, just for the lolz.

I'd say this Khan was portrayed as being more knowledgeable than the previous depiction of Khan. In the Wrath of Khan, Khan was indeed superior in every way, but he didn't have much knowledge of space warfare, which Kirk used against him. That's the one area where Kirk had an advantage; he was extremely knowledgeable at all things related to commanding a ship whereas Khan didn't have much direct experience in that area due to being unfrozen only fifteen years earlier and spending most of that time marooned. So he was really smart, but lacking some knowledge.

The newer Khan, despite being frozen for so long from 250 years ago or so, is already supremely knowledgeable about all current technology (on part with top level scientists despite not having that level of education or growing up in that culture), Starfleet hierarchy, and general society. He shows no weakness in space combat either.

 

[Amechania]

I'm a little surprised a superior being would have such bad teeth. Well, maybe that was also by design, being stationed in London and all. Khaaaan!

 

[james bond]

I'm a little surprised a superior being would have such bad teeth. Well, maybe that was also by design, being stationed in London and all. Khaaaan!

I didn't notice the bad teeth, but his blood has the power to bring people back from the dead and not zombie style either.