So I think I may be a Luciferian, but I have some issues...

[Aristocrap]

Good day to you all!
I've been studying aspects of the Left-Hand Path for a few years now (I'm a senior in high school) and I think Luciferianism may be the religion I have been seeking. I've researched Theistic Satanism, Demonolatry and LaVeyan Satanism (which I reserve a strong distaste for) so far. I admire the story of Lucifer's rebellion from the Abrahanic god, and view him in a sense as a being of intellect and creativity. However, there are some kinks I want to straighten out before I decide upon the religion for sure.

"The use of the name "Lucifer" in reference to a fallen angelstems from an interpretation of Isaiah 14:3–20, a passage that speaks of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer), as fallen or destined to fall from the heavens or sky ... In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil. However, in post-New Testament times the Latin word Lucifer has often been used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction, especially when referring to him before he fell from Heaven." -Wikipedia

Lucifer's role as a being cast from or in rebellion against heaven stems from the Bible, a source I'm very, very reluctant to ground my beliefs from. If "lucifer" was used in the literal translation (bringer of light) to describe the angel which fell from heaven, it could be possible Lucifer is not the angel's name at all, but as an adjective or description of his purpose.

If 'Lucifer" is mentioned elsewhere in the Bible without reference to the angel in revolt against the Abrahamic god, does it still make him Lucifer? Throughout history, writers have used Lucifer as a name for the being, but with the name having been used so many times and originally being a description of a planet, rather than a being, I'm concerned relating "Lucifer" to the angel which rebelled might purley be a thing of fictional writing, and not the truth.

I hope I'm clear and you understand why I'm so hesitant to embrace the religion. Maybe some of your thoughts on the matter would help ease my mind and develop more ideas.

 

[Green Kepi]

Since no one has replied...I might be able to add some points for you to consider. You appear to be on to something in your studies. I think Satan exists to show glory to God. Someone would say..."What"? Really...think about it. You are correct. Isaiah 14:12 - is referring to the King of Babylon and his fall, not Satan being a fallen angel. The name "morning star" or "day-star" was a common name given to ancient kings to honor their position of power in the world. Out of God's own mouth proceeds the claim, "I have created the waster to destroy" - Isa. 54:16. We gather from this passage that Satan appears to be a created being with a definite purpose. God thru Jesus created Satan...no where in the Bible does it state that Satan was first an angel and then cast out of Heaven after he rebelled.

There's much more to discuss...first I'll wait and see if you are still interested in discussing this, since its been a month or so since you posted...

 

[Orias]

Good day to you all!
I've been studying aspects of the Left-Hand Path for a few years now (I'm a senior in high school) and I think Luciferianism may be the religion I have been seeking. I've researched Theistic Satanism, Demonolatry and LaVeyan Satanism (which I reserve a strong distaste for) so far. I admire the story of Lucifer's rebellion from the Abrahanic god, and view him in a sense as a being of intellect and creativity. However, there are some kinks I want to straighten out before I decide upon the religion for sure.

"The use of the name "Lucifer" in reference to a fallen angelstems from an interpretation of Isaiah 14:3–20, a passage that speaks of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer), as fallen or destined to fall from the heavens or sky ... In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil. However, in post-New Testament times the Latin word Lucifer has often been used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction, especially when referring to him before he fell from Heaven." -Wikipedia

Lucifer's role as a being cast from or in rebellion against heaven stems from the Bible, a source I'm very, very reluctant to ground my beliefs from. If "lucifer" was used in the literal translation (bringer of light) to describe the angel which fell from heaven, it could be possible Lucifer is not the angel's name at all, but as an adjective or description of his purpose.

If 'Lucifer" is mentioned elsewhere in the Bible without reference to the angel in revolt against the Abrahamic god, does it still make him Lucifer? Throughout history, writers have used Lucifer as a name for the being, but with the name having been used so many times and originally being a description of a planet, rather than a being, I'm concerned relating "Lucifer" to the angel which rebelled might purley be a thing of fictional writing, and not the truth.

I hope I'm clear and you understand why I'm so hesitant to embrace the religion. Maybe some of your thoughts on the matter would help ease my mind and develop more ideas.

Don't seek a religion for its story.

If you have denied Anton LaVey's proposition, then the LHP is not for you.

Conform to your own comfort, not the will of others.

If the propagandstic dictatings of the Church satisfy you, so be it.

For one who admires rebellion, you'd think they'd be comfortable with themselves :sarcastic

 

[EtuMalku]

I think the sooner you abandon the Abrahamic myths, the sooner you will understand what Luciferianism is.

 

[Orias]

Agreed

Perhaps I should of worded it like that

 

[EtuMalku]

Since no one has replied...I might be able to add some points for you to consider. You appear to be on to something in your studies. I think Satan exists to show glory to God. Someone would say..."What"? Really...think about it. You are correct. Isaiah 14:12 - is referring to the King of Babylon and his fall, not Satan being a fallen angel. The name "morning star" or "day-star" was a common name given to ancient kings to honor their position of power in the world. Out of God's own mouth proceeds the claim, "I have created the waster to destroy" - Isa. 54:16. We gather from this passage that Satan appears to be a created being with a definite purpose. God thru Jesus created Satan...no where in the Bible does it state that Satan was first an angel and then cast out of Heaven after he rebelled.

There's much more to discuss...first I'll wait and see if you are still interested in discussing this, since its been a month or so since you posted...

Lucifer makes His metaphorical debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.

Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will, shows us the way to either be One with God (RHP) or to be a God (LHP). Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will, shows us the way to either be One with God or to be a God ourselves. Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' (Lux Lucis) He is gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.

Lucifer symbolizes progress and intellectual inquiry, through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since.

But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .
The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light!
A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.

Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light.


Satan is a personification of the Judaic word al-satan or ha-satan (who borrowed it from the Persians' Shaiten) meaning adversary. The word is used more as a descriptive noun or pronoun.

Shaiten did not become Satan until much later where Jewish sects / tribes particularly the Essenes who began referring to anyone not an Essene as the Shaiten. Still further on the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify Shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.

Of course both Lucifer and Satan are nothing more than ancient archetypes embedded deep within our psyche . . . they do not exist, they are part of the Abrahamic myths.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

I am assuming that you were probably raised as a Christian and then looked to Luciferianism when you went through that rebellion stage. Maybe what you need is to look beyond the Abrahamic religions. That's what I needed. I just think people should look into a variety of religions before choosing. I was once a Luciferian myself. I felt that it was the right religion for me, and that I would be a Luciferian for the rest of my life, but I found out after a while it wasn't for me, and I looked past the Abrahamic religions, and past Satanism and Luciferianism. I'm just saying to look beyond, because you never know what you may find to be right for you.

 

[Gloone]

Wait so what is your problem with being a Luciferian?
You "think" you "might" be a Luciferian but have some issues. Well I think that sums it up quite nicely.
I would say your first problem is letting your doubts get the best of you. If you want to be a luciferian which I really know absolutely nothing about. It would probably be best if you left the squabble at the table.

 

[Gloone]

For one who admires rebellion, you'd think they'd be comfortable with themselves :sarcastic

You would think but that must not be the case with this one. I would like to know what exactly he has issues with. It might help me learn more about Luciferianism in the process.

 

[Green Kepi]

Lucifer makes His metaphorical debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die...Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will...

I disagree...with these statements...is Eve still alive...no...she died (she was to live forever). I disagree with this second statement too...the Devil did not bring free-will...God gave it, that's what Eve and Adam had and they exercised it. Isaiah 14:12...is not talking about Satan being named Lucifer....

 

[EtuMalku]

Lucifer makes His metaphorical debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die...Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will...

I disagree...with these statements...is Eve still alive...no...she died (she was to live forever). I disagree with this second statement too...the Devil did not bring free-will...God gave it, that's what Eve and Adam had and they exercised it. Isaiah 14:12...is not talking about Satan being named Lucifer....

Genesis 2:17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." - seems pretty clear to me :slap:

And if Man were meant to physically be immortal, what a MESS we would have by now :slap:

Free Will, no it was being 'kept' quiet and both Adam & Eve were not 'allowed' to partake of this Knowledge/Gnosis for it was knowledge meant for the gods.

Lucifer understood this and is the True savior of Mankind, for it is He that sacrificed His Divinity for Mankind to be Free.

The problem resides here in that the majority of people are Right Hand Path, they seek to atone with the natural ordering of the Universe (e.g. God), Lucifer showed us there is a way to Become a god yourself and to not be a part of another's Creation, but to be a Creator.

 

[Green Kepi]

Genesis 2:17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." - seems pretty clear to me :slap:

I suppose, if you use the KJV...however, other version do not say this...but once Eve ate...she died 'spiritually'. One outside of Christ and God is dead...one is born anew, when saved by the waters of immersion. Just like a proselyte converting to the Jewish Religion, he had to be immersed into the water and was said to be "born again". He was once dead, but now lives.

 

[Adelice]

Your looking at the story in the way christian religion made it, truth is, lucifer isnt an single being and he mostly isnt identified by the single idea of an fallen angel. That idea was mostly made by "christian made" satanism wich is only an way to fight the church ideas.

Lucifer is considered has an roman god, the morning star, he is not in any means the devil nor he eats children and he most of the time is seen has the actual god of the world. Personally i adore his fallen angel stories but i dont consider him on any means has an fallen angel, dont believe on christianity bullcrap of him and neither all the dark and gothic and that kind of stuff lavey and other satanist use.

Personally i cant explain you a lot of things but most of luciferians believe that satan and lucifer are not related in any means, he is the god of nature, wisdom, justice and world balance, and most important , love. At least this is what most theistic luciferians and theistic satanist believe, well is the best example i can give you on how to describe what lucifer is.

In many many cultures the deity of lucifer is present, he is normally an god or angel of peace, christian often lie about those deities being jesus , thats false, there is plenty of evidence to know lucifer is actually behind them. Quetzalcoatl, The peacock angel , ashtar sheran, try to search about lucifer in other way that is not satanism pages or christian pages, im sure you will find plenty of information about him.

 

[Neophyte]

Aristocrap,

I am not a Luciferian, but if I might add one thing. Do not pick a religion bases on a stroy line. Don't get me wrong, if the story does not add up for you then don't join, but what I am getting at is that you must find something that not only makes some sense to you but also feels right. This is different for everyone. You need to find what is right for you. Don't just settle on a religion to be "rebelious". If you have been raised Christian then joining any other religion is rebelious enough according to most Christians teachings (not all). find what feels right to you and roll with that.

 

[EtuMalku]

...but once Eve ate...she died 'spiritually'. Once outside of Christ and God is dead...one is born anew, when saved by the waters of immersion.

Details details :seesaw:

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

Your looking at the story in the way christian religion made it, truth is, lucifer isnt an single being and he mostly isnt identified by the single idea of an fallen angel. That idea was mostly made by "christian made" satanism wich is only an way to fight the church ideas.

Lucifer is considered has an roman god, the morning star, he is not in any means the devil nor he eats children and he most of the time is seen has the actual god of the world. Personally i adore his fallen angel stories but i dont consider him on any means has an fallen angel, dont believe on christianity bullcrap of him and neither all the dark and gothic and that kind of stuff lavey and other satanist use.

Personally i cant explain you a lot of things but most of luciferians believe that satan and lucifer are not related in any means, he is the god of nature, wisdom, justice and world balance, and most important , love. At least this is what most theistic luciferians and theistic satanist believe, well is the best example i can give you on how to describe what lucifer is.

In many many cultures the deity of lucifer is present, he is normally an god or angel of peace, christian often lie about those deities being jesus , thats false, there is plenty of evidence to know lucifer is actually behind them. Quetzalcoatl, The peacock angel , ashtar sheran, try to search about lucifer in other way that is not satanism pages or christian pages, im sure you will find plenty of information about him.

If you want to take into account the Roman "Lucifer", then you should take into account the fact that Lucifer was also Venus in Roman mythology, as the star that was seen before the sun came up was actually the planet Venus. So, according to the Romans, Lucifer was female.

 

[Adelice]

If you want to take into account the Roman "Lucifer", then you should take into account the fact that Lucifer was also Venus in Roman mythology, as the star that was seen before the sun came up was actually the planet Venus. So, according to the Romans, Lucifer was female.

Well actually he is believe me to be the male counterpart of venus, the female and male energy on it. Or at least thats what im noticed about.