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So Many Republicans & Conservatives Voting For Harris

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
You mean neocons like the Cheneys and that Haley supporting guy in your link (Haley is a lunatic and I can't take anyone seriously who supports her), who are not conservatives but are bloodthirsty imperialists disgruntled that Trump isn't as warmongering as most Republicans are. So they're betting on Harris continuing the grand tradition of presidents bending over for the MIC like a good slave.

I'm socially conservative and don't support "limited government", either. Conservatism means more than not wanting to spend money on social programs. Neither party is really for "limited government", anyway. That's a lie.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You mean neocons like the Cheneys and that Haley supporting guy in your link (Haley is a lunatic and I can't take anyone seriously who supports her), who are not conservatives but are bloodthirsty imperialists disgruntled that Trump isn't as warmongering as most Republicans are. So they're betting on Harris continuing the grand tradition of presidents bending over for the MIC like a good slave.

I'm socially conservative and don't support "limited government", either. Conservatism means more than not wanting to spend money on social programs. Neither party is really for "limited government", anyway. That's a lie.
That addresses a side issue in my theme.
More importantly, it's telling that so many Republicans
are rejecting Trump in favor of a Democrat as the
lesser threat to limited government. To vote for the
other tribe is a rare thing, & speaks ill of their own
candidate.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
That addresses a side issue in my theme.
More importantly, it's telling that so many Republicans
are rejecting Trump in favor of a Democrat as the
lesser threat to limited government. To vote for the
other tribe is a rare thing, & speaks ill of their own
candidate.
I think you mean the party of limited freedom, seeing as the Dems support online censorship and extreme Covid tyranny. They wanted people fired and ostracized from society for not getting an experimental jab or not wearing a useless mask. Those lockdowns and having to show your Covid papers to take part in society was the government wiping its *** with the Constitution. Funny how everyone has basically forgotten about that. But to Dems, "my body, my choice" only matters when it comes to killing a baby.
 
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Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
That addresses a side issue in my theme.
More importantly, it's telling that so many Republicans
are rejecting Trump in favor of a Democrat as the
lesser threat to limited government. To vote for the
other tribe is a rare thing, & speaks ill of their own
candidate.
There are dems voting for Trump also, what does that say about the dem candidate?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
yeah.
It's called A.W.E. Party*.
;)
People who cannot breathe, unless the war on Russia is declared.
I am in such a awe...really.

*America's Warmongers Entity.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There are dems voting for Trump also, what does that say about the dem candidate?
A lot smarter and more intelligent when you consider nobody , at least the sensible ones, want to see this nation turned into a People's Republic and don't forget Detroit! Just ask her buddy Lizzo.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
There are dems voting for Trump also, what does that say about the dem candidate?
Yeah, like those Muslims in Michigan over Israel/Gaza. One actually said, "The value of defeating the Democratic Party makes Trump a price we’re willing to pay.” Yes, that Trump, who offers unconditional support to Israel, and to Netanyahu, to whom he said, "do what you have to do."

Oh, very clear thinking there. :rolleyes:
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Yeah, like those Muslims in Michigan over Israel/Gaza. One actually said, "The value of defeating the Democratic Party makes Trump a price we’re willing to pay.” Yes, that Trump, who offers unconditional support to Israel, and to Netanyahu, to whom he said, "do what you have to do."

Oh, very clear thinking there. :rolleyes:
Ok, I never gave this example.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think you mean the party of limited freedom, seeing as the Dems support online censorship and extreme Covid tyranny. They wanted people fired and ostracized from society for not getting an experimental jab or not wearing a useless mask. Those lockdowns and having to show your Covid papers to take part in society was the government wiping its *** with the Constitution. Funny how everyone has basically forgotten about that. But to Dems, "my body, my choice" only matters when it comes to killing a baby.
Your preference is clear.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There are dems voting for Trump also, what does that say about the dem candidate?
It seems that Pubs voting for the Dem
are legion relative to the reverse.
This says that Trump is an unacceptable
vengeful, demented, ignorant, bigoted,
treasonous, rapey felon.
While Harris is merely a far leftie.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Those who know Trump best
are now against him.
Excerpted...

Many of those who served in former President Donald J. Trump’s administration — especially his generals, ambassadors and other national security officials — have since turned on Mr. Trump.

Former President Donald J. Trump often brags about hiring “the best people.” But the breadth of the criticism aimed at Mr. Trump, especially from his own former military and national security officials, sets him apart from any modern president.

John Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general who served as Mr. Trump’s chief of staff, recently called his former boss “an authoritarian,” saying he “admires people who are dictators — he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure.”

Mark Milley, the country’s top military official during the last two years of Mr. Trump’s presidency, privately told the journalist Bob Woodward that Mr. Trump is a “fascist to the core” and said his pursuit of another four years in office makes him “the most dangerous person to this country,” Mr. Woodward revealed in a recent book.

Mr. Trump and those around him rejected the criticism as little more than sour grapes. The former president has called General Milley a “loser” and worse, and has suggested that the decorated military officer should be executed for treason because of efforts to ease concerns among foreign leaders after the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol by Mr. Trump’s supporters.

But the comments from Mr. Kelly and General Milley denigrating Mr. Trump’s capacity to serve as commander in chief are particularly striking, even as they echo the sentiments from others across his government and many Republicans outside of his administration.

Former generals, admirals, diplomats, intelligence officers and security strategists have publicly or privately accused Mr. Trump of being a liar who lacks basic knowledge about the world and represents a danger to democracy. Members of his cabinet have questioned his loyalty to the country and testified to his chaotic behavior. His press aides have talked about his lack of integrity and his tendency to attack others.

And Mike Pence, his own vice president, has accused him of being reckless and putting himself over the Constitution. And Mr. Pence said he walked away from the agenda backed by conservatives. Mr. Pence ran against Mr. Trump and refused to endorse him.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It seems that Pubs voting for the Dem
are legion relative to the reverse.
This says that Trump is an unacceptable
vengeful, demented, ignorant, bigoted,
treasonous, rapey felon.
While Harris is merely a far leftie.
The number of former dems endorsing Trump is much higher.
Tulsi Gabbard...for example.

The Democratic Party failed the Kennedys and MLK's legacy.

They have become nothingness. :)
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Those who know Trump best
are now against him.
Excerpted...

Many of those who served in former President Donald J. Trump’s administration — especially his generals, ambassadors and other national security officials — have since turned on Mr. Trump.

Former President Donald J. Trump often brags about hiring “the best people.” But the breadth of the criticism aimed at Mr. Trump, especially from his own former military and national security officials, sets him apart from any modern president.

John Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general who served as Mr. Trump’s chief of staff, recently called his former boss “an authoritarian,” saying he “admires people who are dictators — he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure.”

Mark Milley, the country’s top military official during the last two years of Mr. Trump’s presidency, privately told the journalist Bob Woodward that Mr. Trump is a “fascist to the core” and said his pursuit of another four years in office makes him “the most dangerous person to this country,” Mr. Woodward revealed in a recent book.

Mr. Trump and those around him rejected the criticism as little more than sour grapes. The former president has called General Milley a “loser” and worse, and has suggested that the decorated military officer should be executed for treason because of efforts to ease concerns among foreign leaders after the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol by Mr. Trump’s supporters.

But the comments from Mr. Kelly and General Milley denigrating Mr. Trump’s capacity to serve as commander in chief are particularly striking, even as they echo the sentiments from others across his government and many Republicans outside of his administration.

Former generals, admirals, diplomats, intelligence officers and security strategists have publicly or privately accused Mr. Trump of being a liar who lacks basic knowledge about the world and represents a danger to democracy. Members of his cabinet have questioned his loyalty to the country and testified to his chaotic behavior. His press aides have talked about his lack of integrity and his tendency to attack others.

And Mike Pence, his own vice president, has accused him of being reckless and putting himself over the Constitution. And Mr. Pence said he walked away from the agenda backed by conservatives. Mr. Pence ran against Mr. Trump and refused to endorse him.
Trump is authoritarian because he put the banking sewer in their place?

Sewer rats need to be beaten up, every now and then.
:)

The FED belongs to the American citizens.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Ok, I never gave this example.
No, you didn't. But I did.

And one of the reasons I did is that I know something about human nature. And one thing I know is that most people who make threats to "get even," when such threats will result in harm to themselves but say "I don't care, it's worth it," seldom stand by those threats. For most, modestly intelligent, normal people, it turns out that self-hurt sounds okay when you're upset, but only rarely think so when it comes time to act.

What I'm hearing -- what we can all hear, because they speak it out loud if you listen to the recordings or read the news -- is that Republicans turning to Harris (and these include quite a large number of people who strongly supported and even worked for Trump before) are saying that he will harm the country. While, on the other hand, those (quite few, and none that have worked with Harris or Biden) who claim they're switching to Trump say, "well, the economy's getting better but not fast enough, and I haven't caught up -- so better the devil you know."

And then, when they get to the pull the lever, they remember -- but it is still the devil!
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
The number of former dems endorsing Trump is much higher.
Tulsi Gabbard...for example.

The Democratic Party failed the Kennedys and MLK's legacy.

They have become nothingness. :)
This is, of course, incorrect. In a recent poll, when asked for whom they would vote if the election were held today, 96% of Democratic likely voters said they would vote for Harris, while 3% said they would vote for Trump. But on the other hand, likely Republican were 89% for Trump, and 9% for Harris
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Those who know Trump best
are now against him.
Excerpted...

Many of those who served in former President Donald J. Trump’s administration — especially his generals, ambassadors and other national security officials — have since turned on Mr. Trump.

Former President Donald J. Trump often brags about hiring “the best people.” But the breadth of the criticism aimed at Mr. Trump, especially from his own former military and national security officials, sets him apart from any modern president.

John Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general who served as Mr. Trump’s chief of staff, recently called his former boss “an authoritarian,” saying he “admires people who are dictators — he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure.”

Mark Milley, the country’s top military official during the last two years of Mr. Trump’s presidency, privately told the journalist Bob Woodward that Mr. Trump is a “fascist to the core” and said his pursuit of another four years in office makes him “the most dangerous person to this country,” Mr. Woodward revealed in a recent book.

Mr. Trump and those around him rejected the criticism as little more than sour grapes. The former president has called General Milley a “loser” and worse, and has suggested that the decorated military officer should be executed for treason because of efforts to ease concerns among foreign leaders after the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol by Mr. Trump’s supporters.

But the comments from Mr. Kelly and General Milley denigrating Mr. Trump’s capacity to serve as commander in chief are particularly striking, even as they echo the sentiments from others across his government and many Republicans outside of his administration.

Former generals, admirals, diplomats, intelligence officers and security strategists have publicly or privately accused Mr. Trump of being a liar who lacks basic knowledge about the world and represents a danger to democracy. Members of his cabinet have questioned his loyalty to the country and testified to his chaotic behavior. His press aides have talked about his lack of integrity and his tendency to attack others.

And Mike Pence, his own vice president, has accused him of being reckless and putting himself over the Constitution. And Mr. Pence said he walked away from the agenda backed by conservatives. Mr. Pence ran against Mr. Trump and refused to endorse him.
One thing to remember, is Biden and the DNC were able to get 51 former Intelligent Officials to lie about the Hunter Biden Laptop in 2020 just before the election. They signed a letter that said the Laptop was Russian disinformation, thereby election interfering with their lies so Biden would not have to answer for the content of the Laptop.

These were 51 top intel people, well known in Washington, who would have known the truth. If top people were that dumb, why were they at the top? This was not dumb but quid pro quo. The lie only had to work until the election. The truth loses its teeth after that if the crooks gain power.. It appears the DNC will resort to black mail and/or lucrative book deals to get people to lie. The DNC has no credibility since they have done this many times.

General Milley became Trump's top military guy, just a few months before the FBI sued to get the Hunter Biden Laptop from the computer store owner; Oct 2019. Over the next few weeks, the laptop had been authenticated; late 2019. Milley, who was top of the Military food chain, would have known this through the grapevine from other branches at the top of the food chain. But rather than serve the President and the truth, he helped with the coverup of the laptop. He is a little nervous about the price of his treason. That is the treason Trump speaks of. The Jan 6 excuse, is a distraction, for the laptop treason, to coverup the coverup with sleight of hand.

The DNC is offering Milley a way to save his own skin, but he has to row the boat and help defeat Trump. Trump had to deal with career politicians and crooked government officials, who like things like it is, and resist change to the status quo and their power. The swamp amounts to career people who work through the ranks, and do not like outsiders. They see new Administrations come and go, every 4-8 years and they will foot drag, those not in their clan, since they wish to retain their career paths and roles for 30 years. Milley was a loser in the sense of not doing the right thing based on the truth. He played politics for the home team; swamp. He is not credible, but was bribed; made money off a book.

"The Trump is a Fascist chant", of the DNC and Harris and their propaganda liars, is sort of an offense, being used as a defense. It reminds me of a bad child who keeps breaking the rules, and when dad gets home, he will finally be punished. The bad child's work around is to play the sympathy card, with the mother, who he hopes will see him as a victim, and thereby she will get the father to put off the punishment. This allows the bad child to continue on his bade ways as a saboteur. Trump did not go after anyone after the Russian Collusion Coup. Instead of turning over a new leaf, they got worse. Dad is now at the end of this rope, and mother is not going to protect the bad child, since he has shown no remorse or compassion; sociopaths.

Many people in the swamp did some serious crimes, assuming Trump would be an easy pushover, due to their numbers in 2016. Trump has survived many assaults by these crooked people. Biden and Obama spied on Trump worse than Nixon in 2016. Do they deserve to be in the history books for that, displacing Nixon so he is #2?

If the swamp broke no law, there is nothing to worry about. If everyone is innocent, they will be safe. I would give each crook three crimes before any punishment. That should reduce it to a few hundred, sociopaths.
 
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It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Haley is a lunatic
No argument. Trump called her birdbrain, so he likely agrees with you, and we know how much his endorsement is coveted these days.

Like a multitude of other Republicans, she called Trump unfit (others used words like Hitlerian, despicable, and more) and then endorsed his candidacy.
to Dems, "my body, my choice" only matters when it comes to killing a baby.
Democrats don't endorse killing babies. That's a lie, one Trump tells often and you are happy to repeat here. Apparently, you're unwilling to write embryos or fetuses, which is understandable, since you're making an emotion argument. Facts don't need to be part of it.

And regarding vaccines, no adult was required to take one. To imply otherwise is another lie.
The number of former dems endorsing Trump is much higher.
You have no idea what goes on in the States, but you don't mind expressing your uniformed opinions anyway.
 
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